Posted on 02/17/2009 7:14:40 AM PST by BGHater
A Wichita teen and her mother want a popular vaccine taken off the market. Doctors say Gardasil is killing the 16-year-old.
The drug is used to prevent the HPV virus which causes cervical cancer. The makers of Gardasil recommend girls and young women ages 9-26 get the vaccine to protect them from the virus that causes cervical cancer.
Twenty-eight women have reportedly died from Gardasil.
Sixteen-year-old Gabi Swank used to be a cheerleader, a gymnast and a 4.0 student at Wichita's South High, but after getting the Gardasil vaccination last year, her health deteriorated quickly.
She's had two mini strokes, seizures and swelling of all the tissues in her body. She even has paralysis on the right side of her face. After months of testing, doctors finally pointed to Gardasil as the cause.
"I want this drug off the market. I want it off the market," said Swank from her home.
The CDC and the FDA say they have received thousands of reports of adverse reactions to the vaccine, but the government adds, it continues to find that the benefits of Gardasil outweigh the risks.
In 1951 your chances of getting paralytic polio was one in 15,000.
In 2009 a woman's chances of dying of cervical cancer is one in 15,000.
My mistake. A woman’s chance of getting cervical cancer is one in 15,000. The chance of dying is several times less.
But the chance of dying of polio was also less than the chance of getting it.
Of course dying of polio could take time. I had a good friend who died of post-polio syndrome at age 45.
Re: “It isn’t bogus. Cigarette smoking is an independent risk factor for cervical cancer. Women who smoke have a 2-3X greater likelihood of developing cervical cancer compared to non-smokers. This is well documented and accepted.”
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I know you are correct due to my massive amounts of researching this issue. If all girls became non-smoking nuns and never had intercourse, there would be few, if any, cases of cervical cancer. OTOH, nuns’ breast cancer rates are relatively high due to lack of carrying a baby or babies to term, which is related to breast cancer cases.
You can’t win!
Sure, a large number of people have HPV at some point in their lives (the paper I read said 75%, but what’s 5% one way or another). But it is also true that “In almost all cases, the immune system will keep the virus (including
the cancer-related HPV types) under control or get rid of it completely.!”
Most people get the flu, but most of us don’t get flu shots because we are healthy and our bodies can handle the flu if we get it, so why take the risk.
The question isn’t “how many women get an HPV”, it’s much more complicated:
1) How many women get an HPV that Gardisil would have prevented?
2) How many of those women would NOT be able to fight off the HPV without Gardisil?
3) How many of those infections will lead to cervical cancer?
4) How many of those cervical cancers will be untreatable?
The vaccine has killed 18 women. If the number in 4 isn’t bigger than 18, the vaccine is no good for ANYBODY.
However, the 75% number goes down a lot if you don’t have sex. So if for that subset of the population the number in ‘4’ is very small, the risk isn’t worth the reward.
In the end, the reason we even TOLERATE the medical profession OR the government mandating or even recommending blanket vaccinations is for diseases that you can pick up through no fault of your own, things like chicken-pox, measles, and the like.
These diseases can hit anybody at any time through normal human interaction, so it makes some sense to suggest that every human get vaccinated both to protect themselves, and to keep them from passing the disease on to other people.
HPV is not like that. It spreads through sex, not casual contact.
I’m surprised we haven’t gotten birth control pills mandated yet. But I’m sure Pelosi would be pushing it already, if the abortionists didn’t give her a lot more money than the drug companies. Universal use of the pill would be bad for her “constituents”.
My percentages are correct. Cervical cancer is no longer the killer that it was. This is a drug company using scare tactics to push a vaccine.
But what has this to do with Merck and their scare tactics?
I used your percentages. I'm simply saying the infection and death rate from polio at the height of the epidemic and scare was comparable.
We should at least make them pay the ‘clean-up’ costs. /s
I wish that you had said that sooner.
We’re all gonna die!
Btw, I can’t remember all the details but they now believe that some of the early polio innoculations may cause cancer. Something to do with a virus. I remember reading they were told to stop using it but continued.
I never said or implied that your figures were wrong.
The question of immunization is always tricky. Suppose you could make some magic change to highways and automobiles that would eliminate deaths from crashes. And suppose the system itself causes a hundred random deaths a year. Would you recommend it?
I posted the fact that some bad batches of Salk vaccine caused polio. I don't recall how many cases, but it was enough to make a mess of the program. Fortunately the Salk vaccine quickly became obsolete.
As for causing cancer, I think you need to get your facts together before posting.
Not if the drawbacks/side affects caused as much or more damage.
I know you were being facetious but it is true. lol
I posed a hypothetical question: If you could save 50,000 lives with a system that would itself cause 100 deaths, would you recommend it? Let's say it's put to a vote: how would you vote?
The question is hypothetical. There aren't any hidden costs or tricks.
But it's the kind of question doctors have to deal with all the time. Medicine always has risks associated with benefits.
Gardasil has no benefits.
So the total known cancers caused by polio vaccine is exactly zero. If they exist they cannot be detected by statistical methods examining the cancer rates in people who had polio vaccines.
In the meantime there are 10,000 to 40,000 fewer cases of paralytic polio in the U.S. every year.
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