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BRITAIN WILL BUILD 2 NEW BATTLESHIPS (2/16/39)
Microfiche-New York Times archives, McHenry Library, U.C. Santa Cruz | 2/16/39 | Ferdinand Kuhn Jr.

Posted on 02/16/2009 7:29:44 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: milhist; realtime; royalnavy; uktroops
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To: Doogle
the french ran over the British sub because it was on the wrong side of the underwater highway...simple.

I guess they didn't realize the Brits drive on the left.

21 posted on 02/16/2009 9:03:50 AM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: CougarGA7; PzLdr; Homer_J_Simpson
The article mentions the Duke of York and Prince of Wales as already laid down (towards the end) so that's not them. Makes me wonder which ships these are now.

Put my guess down for the Lion and the Temeraire. Started in 1939, stopped in 1940. Per Wikipedia, ordered 2/21/1939. (Two others of the class ordered in August.

22 posted on 02/16/2009 9:07:10 AM PST by PAR35
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

See my post 22 above. My guess was the Lion class.


23 posted on 02/16/2009 9:08:57 AM PST by PAR35
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee; PzLdr; Homer_J_Simpson
Ok with a little bit of looking and a lot of speculation I think these two ships were indeed canceled and never even had their keel laid. I think they were scheduled to be the Conquerer and the Thunderer which were both Lion Class Battleships. In the article it mentions the Lion and the Temeraire having already been appropriated the previous year and their keels were laid on 4 July 39 and 1 Jun 39 respectively. There are only two other Lion class listed and both of them with a "would have been built at" denotation.

Here's where I found this. World Battleships List: Royal Navy Dreadnoughts

24 posted on 02/16/2009 9:12:45 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: PAR35

See my post #24. The article mentions the Lion and Temeraire as already appropriated the previous year, but I did find reference to two other Lion Class BB that were never built. It may be them.


25 posted on 02/16/2009 9:14:49 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; PzLdr
KG V class?

Believe so.

No Lion class (never completed) - kept getting redesigned in light of war experience Started out in 1940 at 46,400 ton deep load. Just 800 tons war additions to the design increased the draft to more than the 34' Suez Canal limit. That called for increasing the beam, which pushed the weight to 48500. Since the design had to be modified anyway more tweaking was done and by Jan 1942 it was at 49350 tons.

As it was obvious a major redesign was needed, the 1942 requirements pushed the deep load up to 56,500 tons.

And the final design 'B" In 1945 worked out at 69,140 deep load (59,100 standard) - And when they started the project in the mid 30s, it was to the original Washington Treaty limit of 35,000 standard


26 posted on 02/16/2009 9:16:14 AM PST by Oztrich Boy ( As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities. - D)
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To: CougarGA7

Conqueror & Thunderer, then.


27 posted on 02/16/2009 9:47:02 AM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

That would be my guess. I’ll be keeping an eye out for any word on this being cancelled now.


28 posted on 02/16/2009 9:53:26 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: CougarGA7

At least I got the class right.


29 posted on 02/16/2009 9:56:02 AM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Lol. Honestly, until I went searching to see what the ships may have been I had never even heard of the Lion Class before. Got a lesson on British Battleships today.


30 posted on 02/16/2009 9:59:04 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: CougarGA7
Got a lesson on British Battleships today.

That's what I enjoy about these threads. I get ideas for researching areas of history I haven't even thought about.

A few weeks ago, it was members of Hitler's cabinet who weren't Nazis. I'd always assumed they all were until then.

31 posted on 02/16/2009 10:34:01 AM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35
That's what I enjoy about these threads. I get ideas for researching areas of history I haven't even thought about.

I hear you there. These threads have inspired me to go get my Master's in history. I'll be starting that if my old school will ever get my B.S. transcript to them. Been waiting on them for almost a month now.

32 posted on 02/16/2009 11:05:27 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: PzLdr

I think these were the Lion class battleships. They were supposed to have 16 inch guns like the Nelsons. One was canceled and the other, the King George V was given the 4 15 turrets taken off the Glorious and Courageous to speed up construction.


33 posted on 02/16/2009 11:11:36 AM PST by rmlew
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To: CougarGA7

They were HMS Anson & HMS Howe, both KGV class, 35,000 ton treaty ships with 10 14” guns.

The UK did complete one final super-battleship, HMS Vanguard. She was commissioned after Germany’s surrender. Displacement was (IIRC) abvout 45,000 tons. She had eight 15” guns, which had originally been manufactured for the Colossus class battleships planned for the 1920’s, but canceled due to the Washington naval treaties. The guns sat in storage for 20+ years.

Vanguard never saw action, and was not in commission very long.

The Carrier was probably HMS Illustrious.


34 posted on 02/16/2009 1:04:46 PM PST by henkster (When I was young I was told anyone could be President. Now I believe it.)
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To: henkster

Where did you find that? Closest I could find that this may be the earmarks for the (never built) Conqueror and Thunderer which were Lion class.


35 posted on 02/16/2009 1:15:38 PM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: CougarGA7
These threads have inspired me to go get my Master's in history.

I don't know if I could put up with the politically correct crowd that control most campuses today. I had some great history profs some decades ago. Good luck and best wishes.

36 posted on 02/16/2009 1:23:52 PM PST by PAR35
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To: henkster

I looked up the Anson and Howe and both had their keel laid in 1937 same with the Illustrious. I’m sure learning a lot about the British Navy today, lol.


37 posted on 02/16/2009 1:26:48 PM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: henkster; CougarGA7
They were HMS Anson & HMS Howe

No, they couldn't be. The both were laid down in 1937 and launched in 1940, so construction would have been well underway by 1939. (They were originally slated to be named Jellico and Beatty, but renamed in 1940.)

38 posted on 02/16/2009 1:31:16 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Thanks. I found that AMU (American Military University) offers Masters in history so I’m going with them. I’m betting I’ll find fewer revisionists there. And it’s all online so it doesn’t matter if my travel schedule gets crazy.


39 posted on 02/16/2009 1:33:04 PM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: henkster

If I had to guess the Carrier I would say the HMS Indefatigable which was laid on 3 Nov. 39. But that would just be a guess.


40 posted on 02/16/2009 1:34:45 PM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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