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We are not alone: 'trillions' of planets could be supporting life
Times Online ^ | 02/15/09 | Mark Henderson

Posted on 02/15/2009 11:03:43 AM PST by KevinDavis

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To: autumnraine
I think it’s incredibly stupid to assume there is no other forms of life in other universes and galaxies.

There is an enormous differences between an assumption and creating a testable hypothesis on what conditions MIGHT lead to lack of other life forms. In that it would be stupid to be dogmatic about the idea in either direction, I agree with you.

When Alfred Wegener espoused the theory of Continental Drift in 1912, he built upon observations noticed by mapmakers and scientists since the late 16th Century. Because he could not explain a causative mechanism and because he was a meteorologist rather than a geologist, dogmatic scientists ignored the obvious fit of Africa and South America. It took decades to develop the Plate Tectonics theory that underlies the process and validates Wegener.

I can cite other examples but in this single known universe that we live in, I hesitate to make any dogmatic statement about life elsewhere. That being said, I'd love to have a universe with Vulcans, Wookies and other non-human life forms. That would really add spice to the life of everyone!

41 posted on 02/15/2009 1:02:21 PM PST by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: 353FMG; exist
I think he's been reading Jacques Prévert instead (clears throat):

"For you my love"

For you, my love
I went to a bird market
And I bought a bird
For you
My love
I went to a flower market
And I bought a flower
For you
My love
I went to a junk market
And I bought a chain
A heavey chain
For you
My love
And I went to a slave market
And I searched for you
But I couldn't find you anywhere
My love



What can I say? He's Fwench.

Cheers!

42 posted on 02/15/2009 2:41:07 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Big_Monkey

The original hot green chick. Also Batgirl.

43 posted on 02/15/2009 2:43:16 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: KevinDavis

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
in all of the directions it can whizz,
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light you know,
twelve million miles a minute, and that’s the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you’re feeling very small and insecure,
how amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there’s intelligent life somewhere up in space,
because there’s bugger all down here on Earth.


44 posted on 02/15/2009 2:45:26 PM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: SES1066; Old_Professor; KevinDavis
I think the surest evidence AGAINT intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe is the following.

All anecdotal events of "close encounters" are discredited primarily because they are reported by unreliable witnesses--those with unstable lives, chemical dependency issues, rednecks. Surely, we are told, if the aliens wanted to contact us, they'd get in touch with the world leaders.

But somehow, we got through eight years with Bill Clinton in the White House with nary a peep from the aliens.

So where were the aliens then?

QED.

Cheers!

45 posted on 02/15/2009 2:45:34 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
All anecdotal events of "close encounters" are discredited primarily because they are reported by unreliable witnesses--those with unstable lives, chemical dependency issues, redneck

Wait a MINUTE! I remember a former President claiming a close encounter:

Seriously, didn't Mr. Peanut claim a UFO encounter?

46 posted on 02/15/2009 2:49:34 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Sawdring
we don't know how life is created

Knowledge of the creation of life is not necessary to know it exists.

When you see a wrist watch, you know the watch exist even though you do not know who created it. The same is true of the wrist. You know the wrist exist even though you do not know who created it.

47 posted on 02/15/2009 3:01:21 PM PST by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: MosesKnows

If you want to assign a probability to the number of intelligent lifeforms in the galaxy you need to know how probable life is. One basic component to that probability is knowing how life is created.


48 posted on 02/15/2009 5:13:07 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: KevinDavis

Finding them is the problem.


49 posted on 02/15/2009 5:58:09 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: Dan(9698)
Moses 1:33 And worlds without number have I created.

From Wikipedia:

In 1830, according to adherents of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Joseph Smith was commanded by God to create a new translation of the Bible, in order to restore lost portions and correct mistranslations in the modern text. The Book of Moses is a partial result of that work

50 posted on 02/15/2009 6:40:17 PM PST by T Minus Four
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To: annie laurie; garbageseeker; Knitting A Conundrum; Viking2002; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Mmogamer; ...
Thanks KevinDavis.
 
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51 posted on 02/15/2009 6:51:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: dragnet2
"What did that take, thousands of years of gawking at the moon for generations until we were able to actually make the trip?"

If you're a Singularitarian, they believe that technological progress is more or less exponential. So visiting other solar systems might not be so long off. To use your analogy, it may have taken millennia to put our toe in the surf (reach the Moon), but the first voyage to neighboring islands may come pretty soon.

52 posted on 02/15/2009 7:46:18 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( I've started to use 'I' again.)
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To: SES1066
"That being said, I'd love to have a universe with Vulcans, Wookies and other non-human life forms. That would really add spice to the life of everyone! "

Finally, somebody mentioned Star Wars (though technically, it's Wookiees, with two Es)! I don't think Vulcans would add much spice to life - they strike me as the party-pooping type. :-)'

53 posted on 02/15/2009 7:48:46 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( I've started to use 'I' again.)
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To: MosesKnows; SES1066
"When you see a wrist watch, you know the watch exist even though you do not know who created it."

By the same token, when you see a wrist watch, you don't know how many other wrist watches there are out there. That wrist watch could be unique, or could be one of many.

Secularly, I take SES1066's stance. As a Christian, however, encountering intelligent aliens who are not related to humans genetically, but who are fallible, throws up a lot of difficult questions. Can these aliens be saved if they are not kinsmen of Adam or Christ? Wouldn't that be unfair and cruel if not, unless they just wink out of existence at death?

54 posted on 02/15/2009 7:55:16 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( I've started to use 'I' again.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
I don't think Vulcans would add much spice to life - they strike me as the party-pooping type

Vulcans creep me out. (Note: link contains NSFW lyrics.)

55 posted on 02/15/2009 7:57:46 PM PST by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: Yossarian

LOL


56 posted on 02/15/2009 7:58:56 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( I've started to use 'I' again.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Learn something new every day. I thought it was just Wooki. I figured they changed it from a y to an i to sound more intellectual. Ghandi did the same thing.


57 posted on 02/15/2009 8:01:12 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

58 posted on 02/15/2009 8:01:38 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: Yossarian
"I don't think Vulcans would add much spice to life.

I don't know. T'pol looked pretty hot in that skin tight suit.

59 posted on 02/15/2009 8:02:21 PM PST by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: SmallGovRepub

Are the scientists writing for scientology?


60 posted on 02/15/2009 8:04:45 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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