Posted on 02/14/2009 12:20:34 AM PST by A Navy Vet
The US Constitution is toast with this "porkulus bill" shoved down our throats in secrecy, we are now pretty much guaranteed that our Republic is gone. It's been coming for some time, as many of us have been warning. The Utopians in Congress and the Obama Branch have done so much harm to our Republic in these first few weeks they have been in power it is now obvious that we are losing the political battle for our Nation.
History has shown that "power corrupts absolutely". However, that very axiom has also shown, once realized, that it can be the catalyst for change. Maybe, just maybe, with their absolute power they won't see my suggestion below coming at them...just give me a moment to explain.
THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A MOMENT:
Those who would still fight, what recourse do you have?
Voting? How's that worked out for us so far without term-limits which would take a Constitutional Amendment?
Marches on DC? Right, like enough conservatives can get together to make a difference.
Civil disobedience? As if everyday working stiffs will risk being arrested for barging into the Congressional chambers and committees. No-load liberals spray-paint the Capitol steps and are willing to be dragged off in handcuffs - they see it as badge of honor. Joe-Six-Pac-SoccorMom wouldn't. We have families to contend with.
Rebellion by militia? Not even a consideration. The first rebels would be made an "example" by the local SWAT or National Guard units.
So you say, what then?. Well, I may have a possible answer: Here it is...
Support existing organizations and/or create a new organization with massive cash infusions to build bullet-proof LAWSUITS against the onslaught of unConstitutional legislation. Take every single oppressive unConstitutional law and regulation and executive order to COURT! Base every effort on not only the literal translation of the US Constitution, but the very INTENT of those who wrote the document! There is a plethora of correspondence between the Founding Fathers to PROVE their intent in the final creation of our Constitution.
That is our last hope. Yes, some lawsuits may not make it past the local federal courts or the appellate courts; some will. But then the USSC may accept some and not accept to review others and kick them back down to the appellates for what ever technical reason. That is why the lawsuits would have to be once again, written in bullet-proof language that is highly researched and proves the INTENT of our Founding Fathers as mentioned above.
We recently had a somewhat of a good ruling from the USSC regarding the individual right to own weapons. It wasn't perfect and should have expanded in many areas, but it was a small win. We can do the same with other obvious unConstitutional legislation.
What say you folks? Any interest in researching those orgs who have been the most successful and supporting them with dollars? Or maybe we need an entirely new legal org that is not caught up in DC politics. Personally, I believe we need a new dedicated highly professional legal entity to forward such lawsuits.
This is possibly our last and best hope for our Republic. A Constitutional Law Union (CLU), for the lack of a better name could be our ONLY hope in fighting for the last of our Republic. It could be based in part on the various Constitutional organizations that currently exist.
It would take money; high-level organizers; dedicated lawyers; high-visibility pundits; dedicated and capable volunteers, and again, a huge amount of money. But, I believe this to be doable.
Think about it. Think about how the ACLU wins so many lawsuits against our heritage and traditions. If they can do it, why can't we??? We actually have a sacred document and other historical writings on our side. THIS CONCEPT IS VIABLE. Others have layed the ground work that we can take advantage of.
BTW, my first post
There’s a difference between cowardice and prudence. And using ones last course of action for his first, usually leaves you with just the one option.
I disagreed on revolt, but I do agree that too many among us have their pet pork preferences. And they’re highly dishonest in their arguments against the liberal excesses of others.
They speak in favor of global free markets, as they help leftist regulatory, social and academic interests to destroy their own neighbors’ businesses in the USA.
They rant against the men’s labor unions of yesteryear, as they remain silent about their relatives’ government office unions and leftist teachers’ unions.
They post long arguments about the Constitution and states’ rights (with many omissions and embellishments) while trying to destroy the social fabric endowed by our forefathers and trying to implement slavery through dirty deals with foreign communist and fascist enemies. The states have at least as much corruption in them as the fed—more in many states.
They work to violate the Second Amendment rights of their own American neighbors (VAWA, bans against young people) while lobbying for special privileges for themselves.
They present their chosen CFR conspirators as candidates for us to support and insult any who disagree. They gave heavy support to Hillary Clinton during the Democrat primaries, because she would also serve their business, anti-family and foreign relations treasons.
So Obama was elected, of course, and he’s trying to please every narrow special interest. And if you really think about it, maybe that’s what our spendthrift, thieving leaders at every level need the most: to look in the mirror.
We can’t have fiscal conservatism without moral conservatism.
Our self-chosen elite of various sub-stripes won’t stop immoral binge of abusing our government for their own addictions, until they’ve been humbled by the consequences of their own deeds. About all that we can do that I know of, is to help them to arrive at their consequences sooner.
In late 2007, they began to do what they could to slow down the world economy in order to bring down the price of freight fuel and to stop foreign product prices from going up. Help them over the edge of the economic abyss that they’re playing games with.
Stop buying anything that you don’t really need. Our ability to buy things is slowly coming to an end anyway. Get as self-sufficient as you possibly can, then let them find out how much they can do with their worthless mountains of money without assets. Let them find out how much they can do with their gold, when no one wants to work for them or buy from them.
And whatever you do, don’t accept their framework for politics.
Term limits should happen! If we work with our State representatives we can (at the state level)get started.
Convince our State representatives we need a “constitutional convention”.
To be able to:
Abolish the 16th amendment (income tax.)
Abolish the 17th amendment (popular voting for a US senator...go back to how it was...the Governor appoints 2 senators to represent the state).
Vote for term limits.
With this “porkulus” bill voted in we have to get a busy. ASAP!!!
“..can’t anyone reply to my concept?”
Yes, Navy Vet, your concept is great. Not all of us are leaders, but a lot of us are, though not chiefs, we are Indians, willing and capable to give and do what we can. You are right. The communists in this country have been at this a long time, and we need to first know our enemy. If we read Alinsky, then we understand these people and what some of their methods are. (Saul Alinsky inspired people like Obama, the Clintons and others.)
If the American Indians had stuck together instead of fighting and killing each other, the white man would have been driven into the sea and back to the old country (not that that’s what I would wish as liberals do). Not ALL teachers are sympathetic to the liberal ideology; but most of them are intimidated into joining the teacher’s unions for fear of losing their jobs and pensions if they make waves of any kind. Addiction to comfort traps. - There’s only so much energy the average person has, so efforts have to be aimed at the bullseye and people mobilized. - The struggles of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin and many of our own forefathers who paid in blood to establish this country deserve no less. - These socialists today who seek to destroy the Constitution and everything they established are fiddling with something and someone who is beyond them.
There’s a difference between cowardice and prudence. And using ones last course of action for his first, usually leaves you with just the one option.
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We are fast running out of options,,,
The proof was what happened yesterday,,,
Calls were 100 to 1 in most places,,,
The “will of the people” is gone from what I saw,,,
That’s a fact now,,,not my rants...
But we can't keep doing the same thing over and over again an expect a different result. The RINOs sold us out. They had already made up their minds or their phones would have been answered. Our new Democrat Senator would not answer her phone either.
I emailed them, but I know they didn't read any of my emails. It made me feel better though.
To get the conservative voice across, we have to come up with new plans. The media is in the tank for Obama, but every once in a while a lazy journalist will pick up on a story submitted. I thought it would have been much better to swamp the media, instead of putting up threads to call the 3 RINOs who weren't answering their phones. Hannity destroyed Spector on one of his radio shows. If Spector had been on a few more like that, he might have caved.
I liked that there was a FreeRepublic delegation that went to Congress. At least they did something more than call an off-the-hook phone. We need more Actions like that, but we need to be proactive not reactive when something takes center stage. Yes, we have to play defense right now, but we need plans.
I'm starting a website to develop and execute Action Plans, not just call off-the-hook phone lines.
Socialism always fails, but it’s very successful at creating self-perpetuating regimes. Fidel Castro had pretty Cubanas brought to him every day for his pleasure, and owned 100 luxury cars from around the world. For him and his regime, socialism has been a giant success!
I’m enjoying this thread!
I suspect there will be many more similar to this before long.
It only takes a few to send a message.
I have my list. Do you?
Look up the ACLJ.
I suspect that all they need is funding.
Say what? you must be working on a different mental plain than me, because I have no idea what you just said! or what you are referring to ...
So if you're advocating armed insurrection, go someplace else.
I'd suggest that in addition to "monkey-wrenching**" (look it up) and using Alinsky's rules [after all, now WE are radicals, although not the ones Alinsky had in mind] against the liberal status quo would be far more effective.
** See The Velvet Monkey Wrench, by John Muir--If you remember when this first came out, you **ARE** an old fart **
“When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”
Benjamin Franklin:
Ole Ben was so right. The “people” in this case though was special interest groups of every kind and scope. Paybacks for voting these pinheads into office, and the Democrats just rammed this through.
Socialism looks good to a lot of people. For instance, to people who are paying a lot for health care, *free* health care like folks on welfare get looks great. There is a large group of people who work and pay taxes who want the government benefits that people who don’t work get.
There are many, many people who do not know what the U.S. Constitution says, or what it means.
There are many folks who do not understand what has caused so many U.S. companies to move their jobs to other countries.
I will spare you the endless litany of what the American public, as a whole, does not understand or know.
I think it is time for the Republican Party to run a huge, 4-year, public service advertising campaign to educate the public, using short, simple words to distill major concepts into understandable bits.
While they are at it, a long series of PSA’s needs to be run to reform the image of the Republican Party. Short and snappy sound bites are needed. I have talked with many people who voted for Obama because the country needed “hope and change”. Period. No other reason — voting choices dictated by a slogan.
The way I see it, we have 4 years to campaign and to educate the American public. Hope and change are not coming, at least not to the benefit of our country, and it is time to step into the breach.
“Red vs Blue Zones. Who has the guns? Who has the food?”
Can we PLEASE stop with identifying ourselves with commie red?
The red-blue lie is one of the biggest pieces of crap the libs and MSM gave us to swallow and we DID! Hook line and sinker.
STOP IT!
I agree with you. I asked my husband the other day how we became identified with the color red. I was puzzled because I would have thought we’d be blue and the dems would be red.
Time for another color. How about white? I’d prefer striped (red/white/blue), actually.
I'm not-so-jokingly leaning toward the notion that the US Military should step in and take control of all branches of the Federal Government while turning over the aspects of everyday control to the States. It can then "de-Baathify" and set the ground rules once again for a Constitutional structure. Federal electons can be organized and held under military supervision until such time as it can step back and be assured we're up and running.
Any faith I ever had that this Federal government can be put back in its cage via the good graces of politicians has vanished.
Call it Operation American Freedom
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