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To: Badeye

Interesting, the outrage was due to the fact, the emancipation was for those slaves in the confederate states only... a little known fact is there were slaves in the union especially such states as Maryland and even further North. The South had long feared a slave uprising...this proclamation was viewed in this light and as hypocrisy in action. I still admire Lincoln though. He save the union.


5 posted on 02/13/2009 8:20:31 AM PST by nyconse
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To: nyconse

Personally, he lost me at this lie;

“Sherman’s march from Atlanta to Savannah is notorious for its savagery.”


7 posted on 02/13/2009 8:24:29 AM PST by NucSubs ( Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: nyconse

‘Interesting, the outrage was due to the fact, the emancipation was for those slaves in the confederate states only... ‘

That is true, but it was secondary to the outrage of the Southerners at having ‘valuable property’ (slaves) being taken from them without financial recourse.

Southern firebrands came up with what you mention here as a political afterthought.


9 posted on 02/13/2009 8:25:16 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: nyconse

“a little known fact is there were slaves in the union especially such states as Maryland and even further North.”

It’s actually a well known fact, although I’d be interested where there were slaves further north than the border states. As best I can tell, slavery was illegal in all the northern states. Being a pragmatist, Lincoln could not free the slaves in the border states or they might have joined the South. The Emancipation transformed the war and allowed slaves who left the South to attain freedom instead of being considered contraband. It was quite obvious that once the war was over, slavery would end, and a constitutional amendment did just that.


36 posted on 02/13/2009 9:40:31 AM PST by yazoo
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To: nyconse
Interesting, the outrage was due to the fact, the emancipation was for those slaves in the confederate states only... a little known fact is there were slaves in the union especially such states as Maryland and even further North. The South had long feared a slave uprising...this proclamation was viewed in this light and as hypocrisy in action.

Political necessity is not the same thing as hypocrisy. The only reason the emancipation did not free slaves in the border states was because the Union could not risk their secession. Winning the war was, quite rightly, the highest priority at the time.

Holding that against Lincoln is about as stupid as holding against Churchill England's wartime alliance with the Soviet Union.

58 posted on 02/13/2009 10:22:35 AM PST by curiosity
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To: nyconse
a little known fact is there were slaves in the union especially such states as Maryland and even further North.

Slaves in Union states were in the process of being freed throughout the War.

A bill freeing slaves in DC was signed by Lincoln on April 16, 1862. Well before the Emancipation Proclamation.

Slaves in WV were freed on March 26, 1863 just a few months after the EP.

MO ended slavery on July 1, 1863.

MD ended slavery on November 1, 1864.

TN ended slavery in early 1865.

Only KY (many thousands of slaves) and DE (perhaps 200 slaves) among Union states refused to end slavery by state action.

Given this timeline, while some remained enslaved in Union areas after the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863, there weren’t very many of them and it certainly wasn’t for very long.

92 posted on 02/13/2009 12:15:55 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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