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Question on requirement to present ID to police officer (vanity)
FR ^ | 1/24/2008 | Domandred

Posted on 01/24/2009 10:16:42 PM PST by Domandred

Buying a new house and today while we were over at the new place painting my wife backed our minivan into the next door neighbor's volvo. Great way to meet the new neighbors right?...ouch.

Anyways I was in the passenger seat watching right (wife pulled out left so I never saw the car).

When the police showed up the officer asked me for my driver's license.

I said "Sorry officer, I was a passenger, not driving, you don't need to see my driver's license." Yea she didn't like that.

The officer said "the DMV requires us to enter the driver's licenses of everyone in the vehicle that is involved in a traffic accident. I'll need to see it."

Being that the neighbors (including the guy across the street that wasn't involved at all) were all standing around now watching I decided to not press the issue as our neighbor approval rating is already sub-congress. I handed over my drivers license (reluctantly) and said "you really don't need to see my driver's license, but here it is anyways".

She tried to speak up some more and I said "it's fine you have it already it's done". Yea she didn't talk to me again.

I used to carry an ID on me (not driver's license) for times that I wasn't driving or planing on driving...like when I was planning on drinking, but don't have it anymore.

Now I know without a doubt that since I was not driving I had no legal obligation to produce a driver's license. The question is did I have to legally produce any ID or would name and such have been sufficient?

I seem to remember a supreme court case about this a few years ago.


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To: unkus

OK. I would not have guessed that by the wording of your post! lol


21 posted on 01/24/2009 10:41:34 PM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (Remember the 3 Rs: Respect for self; Respect for others; and Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: an amused spectator
Hard to believe you’ve been on Free Republic since 1999...

Meaning?

22 posted on 01/24/2009 10:42:15 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: an amused spectator
Hard to believe you’ve been on Free Republic since 1999...

Meaning?

23 posted on 01/24/2009 10:42:48 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Domandred
Reading and understanding go hand in hand,
just having one ability is useless.
24 posted on 01/24/2009 10:44:15 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (!yaw gnorw eht su gnikat si noitartsinimdA amabO ehT)
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To: unkus

Really? He asked and I answered.
I am having a fine day. If you disagree, fine. As for reasonable and polite, you read it differently than I did.


25 posted on 01/24/2009 10:45:05 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Do you think you have some God given right for anonymity in the U.S.?

Under most circumstances, yes. Precisely that.

26 posted on 01/24/2009 10:47:30 PM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Domandred

It’s too bad, but I believe it won’t be long until we all (everyone at age 18 or 16) will be required to carry papers (internal passports) and produce them upon offical demand. This will be necessary to deal with illegal immigration, terrorism, and the demands of the Commie Democrat Administration. (Though the Repubs will go along with it, and if there’s ever another Republican Administration they will keep the requirement in place.)


27 posted on 01/24/2009 10:47:59 PM PST by FFranco
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To: Drango
My gut says you didn’t have to comply, but she would have made your life miserable. Handing the ID over makes sense when a cop is breathing down your neck.

Actually this is the third time I've been requested to produce a drivers license (or ID) when I wasn't driving or doing anything illegal.

First time was similar to the thread linked above, I was walking and officer stopped me for "fitting the description of someone in a domestic battery call" where you going? what are you doing? etc etc. Second time I was biking and officer pulled me over. Both those times I refused.

This time I just didn't want to deal with it.

28 posted on 01/24/2009 10:48:24 PM PST by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: unkus

I’m tired, I guess. Sorry! You addressed that remark to someone other than the original poster!


29 posted on 01/24/2009 10:49:27 PM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (Remember the 3 Rs: Respect for self; Respect for others; and Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: Oberon

I think the SCOTUS says there is a “right to privacy” carefully concealed somewhere in the Constitution under an emanation of a penumbra. Or is that right restricted to murdering defenseless family members?


30 posted on 01/24/2009 10:52:11 PM PST by ducdriver (99% of liberals give the other 1% a bad name.)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

I made the same mistake. Good thing I didn’t reply to it :)


31 posted on 01/24/2009 10:53:16 PM PST by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie; Domandred

“Do you think you have some God given right for anonymity in the U.S.? “


Now that you mention it...YES.

This isn’t against the individual policman or how much they are paid.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh.

Divorce the pay issue from the freedom issue.


32 posted on 01/24/2009 10:53:22 PM PST by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a guideline.)
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To: Domandred

On the way to my apartment laundry house with a basket full of clothes, a cop cruising the parking lot stopped me asked what I was doing at two o’clock in the morning walking around(duh). He asked to see my ID and I stated it was in my apartment. He wouldn’t let me go get it and then asked for my SS#. He checked it. Apparently that was enough to ID me. He told me to be careful at night and pulled away.


33 posted on 01/24/2009 10:56:13 PM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: IrishCatholic

“Next time, be polite and helpful and not a jerk”


Glad to see you didn’t think the cop should have tazzed him.

I sure wish the Jews would have been more helpful and polite back in 41

“May the chains rest lightly on your back and may your posterity never know you existed.” Sam Adams.


34 posted on 01/24/2009 10:56:53 PM PST by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a guideline.)
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To: GreyMountainReagan
So, any one can cruise the country without having the fear of having to produce a picture ID? Once in the country illegally, no damn policeman dare ask for an alien for ID?
35 posted on 01/24/2009 10:57:08 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Yes, your papers please.


36 posted on 01/24/2009 10:58:20 PM PST by cydcharisse
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To: Domandred
I jump the gun sometimes! lol Usually I also catch it before I post and end up looking foolish! :~)

I do believe an officer has the right to ask for the names of passengers as potential witnesses and for insurance purposes of the involved drivers. However, asking for legal ID of all adult passengers goes too far, IMO and is an invasion of privacy.

37 posted on 01/24/2009 11:00:39 PM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (Remember the 3 Rs: Respect for self; Respect for others; and Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: IrishCatholic
Next time, be polite and helpful and not a jerk.

Sure officers come right in. What's that? You don't have a warrant? Not really looking for anything? Just want to make sure the house is clean?

No problem at all! Just trying to be polite and helpful.

38 posted on 01/24/2009 11:00:49 PM PST by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: IrishCatholic; Domandred

IC, Get used to hearing, “Your papers comrade.”

People with your attitudes will bring us to that point.

Do you lick everyone’s boots that ask you to?


39 posted on 01/24/2009 11:00:53 PM PST by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a guideline.)
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To: cydcharisse
Yes, your papers please.

This is not Nazi Germany. Far from it.

Perhaps the policewoman just wanted to get the names of witnesses.

It is amazing the number of people on want no authority over them at all, but are appalled at the ease with which the 911 terrorist cells operated with impunity in the days prior to that event.

40 posted on 01/24/2009 11:02:19 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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