Posted on 01/19/2009 9:42:35 PM PST by Coyoteman
The new Earth and Space Science (ESS) course standards (and all other science course standards) will be up for approval before the State Board of Education (SBOE) during January 21-23. Some SBOE members--the seven who are Young Earth Creationists (YECs)--will attempt to make changes to the ESS standards in ways that will damage the scientific integrity and accuracy of the course. In particular, these SBOE members will try to negatively modify or delete the standards that require students to understand the following topics that deal with scientific topics they consider controversial: age of the Earth and universe, radiometric dating, evolution of fossil life, and the origin of life by abiotic chemical processes. These topics are the ones that YECs consider to be controversial; indeed, they are obsessed with them to the exclusion of everything else.
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This thread is about a controvery regarding the course curriculum standards in public school--specifically the issue of including creationism "science" in public school classrooms.
My question is directly related to that topic, and your refusal to answer it speaks volumes about the logical inconsitency of your position.
> Any challenge to evolution is met with a flurry of
> alchemy, astrology, religious beliefs...the stark signs
> of cultism.
“Young Earth” creationism is not a challenge to evolutionary theory, it’s a laughingstock.
The claim is education is failed via the godless liberal NEA model.
Evolution was taught pre-NEA...non-sequitor again.
As to your last question, watch ‘Expelled’ and the polish professor seemed flabbergated that the U.S. scientists and administrative types approached science from a godless perspecative and ideology and no such God-hang-up psychosis restricts Europeans when it comes to scientific pursuits.
But science isn’t successful in this country because God is stomped out, indeed metmom has shown you that people that study science without endless God-hang-ups excel at science, more so than their programmed soclialized counterparts.
*Sigh*
I guess it was aslking to much to have even one day of discussion in here without all the typical strawmen, projections, red-herrings et al, we get without end from the cult of evo.
Metmom made the claim, and I will discuss her comments with her.
metmom:
Show that teaching creation in addition to evolution would cause us to fall further behind.
tacticalogic:
Why?
Do you believe that you should be able to make claims that are pure speculation, provide absolutely no evidence to back them up, and expect that I should accept them until and unless I can provide evidence to the contrary?
Or is this another one of those “Well, the evos are doing it!” gambits to provide an opening to throw around another bucketful of perjoratives?
What do you mean why?
This is a typical example that illustrates liberals think they set the rules, get to ask things of creationists, that they can’t conceive of answering to when it comes to evolution themselves.
Along with the obligatory projections.
Sad.
I’m sure it is a laughingstock to evo-cultist godless NEA liberals, but for normal people and the majority of parents and conservatives...it’s quite threatening to the crowd with myriad God-hang-ups.
They said Bush was stupid too. Ignoring the man went to Yale AND Harvard.
Liberals like to ignore reality this way.
Apparently the moderators aren’t keeping the “liberals” off of FreeRepublic to suit you.
metmom’s already provided you with dozens of links, and you’ve consistently demonstrated you’re not about discussion.
not at all!
> I’m sure it is a laughingstock to evo-cultist godless NEA liberals,...
Young-earthism is ludicrous. Has been for centuries, on data completely independent of and having nothing to do with evolution.
The world is 4.5 billion ± ~1% years old. Anybody who says differently is ignorant, lying, or deluded.
metmom’s already provided you with dozens of links, and you’ve consistently demonstrated you’re not about discussion.
not at all!
I’ll discuss metmom’s comments with metmom.
I’ve been focused on origins of life, not earth age.
Apparently the moderators aren’t keeping the “liberals” off of FreeRepublic to suit you.
You’re projecting again.
Conservatives don’t generally think like you do...shutting down debate, banning, suing to silence etc.
Actually there are . . . the anti-Creationists speak of little else.
If you don’t think I’m not a conservative, then report me for abuse. I’m really not intereted in talking to you.
So how does it give the atheist evo side the right to dictate that my beliefs not be allowed in public schools just because it conflicts with theirs? That is exactly what is happening. People don't want to be silenced like that. Do I need to post the poll results AGAIN to show what the majority of people in this country want? Does the taxpaying majority not have the right to have taught what they want taught to their own children using their own tax money?
What gives the leftists the idea that it's OK for them to dictate public school curriculum on others kids but that the parents have no say?
That is not a conservative position to take. It smacks more of socialism or communism; the state decides what's best for the unwashed and they have to take it or take the consequences.
Thank you for that wonderful quote from a distinguished scientist.
I’ve looked a bit into his research, and I can find no evidence that Professor Williams has any dispute with the larger theory of macro-evolution, nor can I find any statement of his on record that he feels as though his statement here (which is merely asserting, as I have, that the macro-evolutionary theoretical model makes no assertions or predictions about the mechanisms of abiogenesis) has made him the target of any undo criticism or bias by the “Evo-Cult” community as you call them.
It actually sounds like his and my background are quite similar, so if you have evidence that he’s found his impressions on this matter have “stacked the deck against him” in the scientific community, I’d be very interested in seeing it, as it is potentially worrisome for my own professional interests.
I’m sorry you do not see my point about how blurring the lines between cosmology and science can make life difficult for those of who who are actively and intellectually involved in both fields of human thought. I cannot press the point any further than I have, so I respectfully agree that this is an irreconcilable point between us.
The evos keep telling us that the people making claims are the ones who are supposed to provide evidence to support those claims; that that is the way science is done.
Well, if you’re going to claim that teaching creation in schools as it was done for centuries is going to cause the US to fall further behind in science and harm science education in this country, you ought to be providing evidence to back that up instead of throwing out baseless, unsubstantiated claims and expecting people to take them at your word.
I’ve provided evidence to show that those schools (private and homeschool) provide better educations than the public schools. Any private or homeschool that uses ABeka or Bob Jones teaches both. One of the main reasons that homeschooling exploded as it did was the evolution only and no God dogma of the public school system.
The main argument of the evos is that teaching creation is going to hurt public school science education. Show it.
Examples within our own country are homeschools and private schools, as has already been posted before.
And it also have the advantage of eliminating other variables as culture and class.
If that's true then we should have some good, objective evidence to provide in support of teaching creationism by showing which coutries those are, and how they are ahead of us in science education. Which countries are those, and how is teaching creationism as science making their students better scientists than ours?
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