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> He claimed “testimony”, but will not give the name, number, and Grand Jurisdiction of the Lodge in question.

No surprises there. That is because he *can’t*.

> He is obviously making up his “testimony”.

(grin!) “testimony” is an interesting euphemismn for “false witness”, ay! And the irony of having a purported “Christian” be a bearer-of-false-witness about Freemasonry is both truly rich and thoroughly disturbing, simultaneously.

I don’t know what cvengr’s brand of Christianity has to say about telling fibs, but mine tends to condemn on it. As does Freemasonry.

Masons deny membership to those who simply state they believe in God through faith in Christ. On the other hand, they insist they welcome only those who believe in God. If the latter statement were indeed true, then the prior statement as a subset would be included, but those with faith through Christ are excluded. Go figure.

This is his quote.

I have balloted on many petitions in my Lodge. I have also served on numerous investigating committees. NEVER have I seen or heard anyone question the answer to the "belief question" on a petition, or ask any further questions concerning a candidate's faith. In fact, to do so would constitute a Masonic offense.

Please do not read more into my statements than what has been provided.

There are many good works performed by Masons. A weakness posed to most Masons I’ve encountered is to confuse human good works with divine good works.

Likewise, I wouldn’t confuse the issue as to if it is possible for a Mason to be a believer in Christ with the statement that those who believe in God through faith in Christ are denied admittance into Freemasonry.

There is no environment which is able to deny a believer a relationship with God through faith in Christ prior to the first death.

I suspect some 30-40 years ago, a much larger percentage of Masons were believers in Christ. It might be the case that once a certain percentage of Masons slipped into anti-Christian thinking, they led many of the organizations from grieving the Holy Spirit towards quenching the Holy Spirit and now with explicit campaigns to fully quench the Holy Spirit and the Plan of God if that were even possible.

There is strong evidence that the Masonic structures were anti-Christian for the past 2 millennium, but even if so established, they still would be impotent to resist God Himself through faith in Christ. Christ wasn’t very impressed in a positive sense of the efforts of the builders in the Incarnation, but even they still had opportunity to come to Him.

The positive approach isn’t to dwell on the reprobate and unrighteousness of those who seek to work independently of faith in Christ, but to encourage those who are in a deceptive environment, not to fall into the trap of doind what is right in their own eyes when they work independently of faith in Christ.