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To: DieHard the Hunter; PalmettoMason

Please do not read more into my statements than what has been provided.

There are many good works performed by Masons. A weakness posed to most Masons I’ve encountered is to confuse human good works with divine good works.

Likewise, I wouldn’t confuse the issue as to if it is possible for a Mason to be a believer in Christ with the statement that those who believe in God through faith in Christ are denied admittance into Freemasonry.

There is no environment which is able to deny a believer a relationship with God through faith in Christ prior to the first death.

I suspect some 30-40 years ago, a much larger percentage of Masons were believers in Christ. It might be the case that once a certain percentage of Masons slipped into anti-Christian thinking, they led many of the organizations from grieving the Holy Spirit towards quenching the Holy Spirit and now with explicit campaigns to fully quench the Holy Spirit and the Plan of God if that were even possible.

There is strong evidence that the Masonic structures were anti-Christian for the past 2 millennium, but even if so established, they still would be impotent to resist God Himself through faith in Christ. Christ wasn’t very impressed in a positive sense of the efforts of the builders in the Incarnation, but even they still had opportunity to come to Him.

The positive approach isn’t to dwell on the reprobate and unrighteousness of those who seek to work independently of faith in Christ, but to encourage those who are in a deceptive environment, not to fall into the trap of doind what is right in their own eyes when they work independently of faith in Christ.


144 posted on 01/18/2009 9:49:03 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
Please do not read more into my statements than what has been provided.

No one is "reading" anything into your statements. I have quoted you exactly:

Masons deny membership to those who simply state they believe in God through faith in Christ. On the other hand, they insist they welcome only those who believe in God. If the latter statement were indeed true, then the prior statement as a subset would be included, but those with faith through Christ are excluded. Go figure.

This has already been proved by more than one of us to be a contemptible LIE. Go to any Grand Lodge website and you will see that it is against the basic tenets of Freemasonry to inquire further into a petitioner's religious beliefs beyond his belief in a supreme being.

As far as your "testimony", it is impossible to read more into it than you have said because you have said nothing beyond making some vague accusations against folks that you refuse to identify.

Face it, you have been "outed". It is pointless to continue to engage in a discussion with someone who makes up their own "facts" as they go along.

147 posted on 01/18/2009 11:24:44 AM PST by PalmettoMason ("an empty limousine pulled up in front of the White House, and Barack Obama got out")
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