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Does anyone else get the feeling that these technical innovations in counter-insurgency warfare make the second amendment even more irrelevent than it already is when it comes to protecting against the government?


2 posted on 01/13/2009 6:57:26 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

You think the Second Amendment is irrelevant?


3 posted on 01/13/2009 7:00:00 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

“Does anyone else get the feeling that these technical innovations in counter-insurgency warfare make the second amendment even more irrelevent than it already is when it comes to protecting against the government?”

IMO it makes it even more important.


4 posted on 01/13/2009 7:00:12 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Yep.....I was thinking the very same.


7 posted on 01/13/2009 7:03:41 PM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

RElax.

These kinds of technologies end up being like radar guns for cops. First someone invents the radar gun. Then the radar detector. Then better radar. THen better detectors. Then instant on radar. THen...

They will never be king of the hill forever.


8 posted on 01/13/2009 7:04:03 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

“Does anyone else get the feeling that these technical innovations in counter-insurgency warfare make the second amendment even more irrelevent than it already is when it comes to protecting against the government?”

You obviously know nothing of the second or this device or sniper rifles. Just shut up and wear your chains quietly.


30 posted on 01/13/2009 8:34:25 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Does anyone else get the feeling that these technical innovations in counter-insurgency warfare make the second amendment even more irrelevant than it already is when it comes to protecting against the government?


I guess you have never seen a competent rifleman shoot a man-sized target reliably at 600 yards with iron sights.

That’s the kind of shooting that won WWII.


35 posted on 01/13/2009 9:52:15 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don't kill people. Criminals and the governments that create them kill people.)
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I think you have it backwards. It is not so much the citenzentry's ability to protect itself against a government which would attack it, as it is making it unthinkable for any sane government to attempt any tyranny which would arouse the armed resistance of a substantial percentage of the population.

Moreover, a technological population has more potential weapons at its disposal than just the small arms its individuals have at hand. A simplistic example is the case of the West Virginia State Guard, back in the ‘80’s. The unit, knowing itself to be part of the legal State Militia, believed that the laws permitted itself to obtain and maintain heavy weapons, and so they obtained 3 M24 light tanks and a 75mm mountain howitzer. All had been ‘demilitarized,’ but the State Guardsmen included machinists, who put them back in working order. They then secured these privately owned but State Militia dedicated ordinance items at State NG Armories. Where they were discovered by state and Federal officials, to their horror.
Said authorities, since the State Guardsmen had neglected to obtain anyone's authorization to reactivate these weapons, confiscated them. Now imagine that these had not been trusting and law-abiding citizens, but fed-up individuals feeling oppressed by the recurring petty tyrannies of a government aiming to bring them to a state of subjection and slavery.

39 posted on 01/13/2009 11:50:25 PM PST by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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41 posted on 01/14/2009 3:49:55 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Does anyone else get the feeling that these technical innovations in counter-insurgency warfare make the second amendment even more irrelevent than it already is when it comes to protecting against the government?

I get into these kinds of arguments with my students all the time. "Can't fight a real army" goes the thinking. Well, look at recent history: The Afghans fought the biggest and most well equipped army in the world (USSR) to a standstill in the 1980s. They did so with what amounts to 18th century level firearms. Yes, they had help with US Stingers courtesy of Charlie Wilson. But the spirit of the warrior is what carried them thru those dark and often frozen nights, all alone and facing an enemy with far superior numbers and technology.

The 2nd Amendment simply represents the base level of an age old doctrine of war. Call it "TRADE UP." If I have a 22, I can trade up to an M4. If I have an M4 I can trade up to a SAW. If I have a SAW, I can trade up to an artillery piece or possibly an MLRS platform. Such is the way armies are equipped. But it does require a base tool to start the trade up process. Thus the 2nd Amendment. Many folks won't have to start with a 22 so their trade up process can proceed much quicker. Also, many Americans wisely foresaw such a necessity and started their collections of firearms in both NATO and WARSAW PACT calibers, many of which are also in common use with police departments.

Also, I don't expect the numbers to show solely citizens on one side and military/LEOs on the other. Although the numbers have been shrinking since the 1960s when liberalism and globalism began to infect the school curriculum's across the nation, I suspect there are still substantial numbers of soldiers and police officers who know the real score and I think we can count on their support at the proper moment.

Kids ask me how do I expect to deal with a tank? Hey I was a tanker for awhile. I know the things that make tankers sweat bricks under maneuver conditions. You can stop a tanks in it's tracks with simple barbed wire. That's a mobility kill only though. He'll still have use of all weapons, he just won't be able to move. Still, a paralyzed tank becomes a "fixed fortification." And as General George S. Patton once said: Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man. Paralyzed tanks can be overcome.

64 posted on 01/14/2009 8:11:55 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Does anyone else get the feeling that these technical innovations in counter-insurgency warfare make the second amendment even more irrelevent than it already is when it comes to protecting against the government?

Iron sights baby ... iron sights.

75 posted on 01/14/2009 1:26:03 PM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

It would seem to make it more relevant and broader in its scope, to include countering technology.


116 posted on 01/16/2009 6:20:59 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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