Posted on 01/07/2009 12:07:47 AM PST by Fred Nerks
Solving the "Palestinian Problem"
Israel's war against Hamas brings up the old quandary: What to do about the Palestinians? Western states, including Israel, need to set goals to figure out their policy toward the West Bank and Gaza.
Let's first review what we know does not and cannot work:
Israeli control. Neither side wishes to continue the situation that began in 1967, when the Israel Defense Forces took control of a population that is religiously, culturally, economically, and politically different and hostile. A Palestinian state. The 1993 Oslo Accords began this process but a toxic brew of anarchy, ideological extremism, antisemitism, jihadism, and warlordism led to complete Palestinian failure. A binational state: Given the two populations' mutual antipathy, the prospect of a combined Israel-Palestine (what Muammar al-Qaddafi calls "Israstine") is as absurd as it seems. Excluding these three prospects leaves only one practical approach, that which worked tolerably well in the period 1948-67:
Shared Jordanian-Egyptian rule: Amman rules the West Bank and Cairo runs Gaza. To be sure, this back-to-the-future approach inspires little enthusiasm. Not only was Jordanian-Egyptian rule undistinguished but resurrecting this arrangement will frustrate Palestinian impulses, be they nationalist or Islamist. Further, Cairo never wanted Gaza and has vehemently rejected its return. Accordingly, one academic analyst dismisses this idea "an elusive fantasy that can only obscure real and difficult choices."
It is not. The failures of Yasir Arafat and Mahmoud Abbas, of the Palestinian Authority and the "peace process," have prompted rethinking in Amman and Jerusalem. Indeed, the Christian Science Monitor's Ilene R. Prusher found already in 2007 that the idea of a West Bank-Jordan confederation "seems to be gaining traction on both sides of the Jordan River."
The Jordanian government, which enthusiastically annexed the West Bank in 1950 and abandoned its claims only under duress in 1988, shows signs of wanting to return. Dan Diker and Pinchas Inbari documented for the Middle East Quarterly in 2006 how the PA's "failure to assert control and become a politically viable entity has caused Amman to reconsider whether a hands-off strategy toward the West Bank is in its best interests." Israeli officialdom has also showed itself open to this idea, occasionally calling for Jordanian troops to enter the West Bank.
Despairing of self-rule, some Palestinians welcome the Jordanian option. An unnamed senior PA official told Diker and Inbari that that a form of federation or confederation with Jordan offers "the only reasonable, stable, long-term solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict." Hanna Seniora opined that "The current weakened prospects for a two-state solution forces us to revisit the possibility of a confederation with Jordan." The New York Times' Hassan M. Fattah quotes a Palestinian in Jordan: "Everything has been ruined for us - we've been fighting for 60 years and nothing is left. It would be better if Jordan ran things in Palestine, if King Abdullah could take control of the West Bank."
Nor is this just talk: Diker and Inbari report that back-channel PA-Jordan negotiations in 2003-04 "resulted in an agreement in principle to send 30,000 Badr Force members," to the West Bank.
And while Egypt's president Hosni Mubarak announced a year ago that "Gaza is not part of Egypt, nor will it ever be," his is hardly the last word. First, Mubarak notwithstanding, Egyptians overwhelmingly want a strong tie to Gaza; Hamas concurs; and Israeli leaders sometimes agree. So the basis for an overhaul in policy exists.
Secondly, Gaza is arguably more a part of Egypt than of "Palestine." During most of the Islamic period, it was either controlled by Cairo or part of Egypt administratively. Gazan colloquial Arabic is identical to what Egyptians living in Sinai speak. Economically, Gaza has most connections to Egypt. Hamas itself derives from the Muslim Brethren, an Egyptian organization. Is it time to think of Gazans as Egyptians?
Thirdly, Jerusalem could out-maneuver Mubarak. Were it to announce a date when it ends the provisioning of all water, electricity, food, medicine, and other trade, plus accept enhanced Egyptian security in Gaza, Cairo would have to take responsibility for Gaza. Among other advantages, this would make it accountable for Gazan security, finally putting an end to the thousands of Hamas rocket and mortar assaults.
The Jordan-Egypt option quickens no pulse, but that may be its value. It offers a uniquely sober way to solve the "Palestinian problem."
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There should be no Palestine , or Palestinian state .
If any people on earth have proved themselves least capable of governance it is the Palestinians .
There should be no West Bank . All of Galilee ,Samaria and Judea should be part of Israel proper , and not over inhabited by violent moslem Arabs . Let other nations , with who they are more culturally akin to and which have vastly more land mass to share host them . Introduce them to family planning !
As for Gaza : Israel need to build another wall there , as well as develop an anti-missile forcefield . Let gaza supply by sea and thru Egypt , but let ever Hamas rocket be answered by crushing air strikes . maybe someday they will learn. ps: India should also re-assume Pakistan
Level it and pave it.
“What to do about the Palestinians?”
I know what I would do. But it would be harsh.
Let the terrorists know that starting tomorrow:
For every terrorist rocket launched into Israel, the date and time of the missile will be reported and within one month five square miles of Gaza will be evacuated of all people and those people moved in the direction of Egypt.
When Israel starts to do this, the message will be comprehended that terrorism leads backwards and to the loss of land.
Let the terrorists know that starting tomorrow:
For every terrorist rocket launched into Israel, the date and time of the missile will be reported and within one month five square miles of Gaza will be evacuated of all people and those people moved in the direction of Egypt.
When Israel starts to do this, the message will be comprehended that terrorism leads backwards and to the loss of land.
As a Christian, I fully understand the real nature of this issue, which started thousands of years ago, and which continues today via Satan’s hatred of God’s chosen people. That said, it’s maddening to see the manifestation of such willful and obtuse ignorance and stupidity. The goal of Palestinians is not a “state.” It is the extinction of all Israelites, period, and this goal is incredibly well documented.
What a price has been paid for Joshua’s disobedience.
MM
The answer lies in your perspective. Rather than trying to accommodate a people who are occupying your land, Some might insist the Palestinians be required to leave Judah.
The “Palestinians” should have been pushed into Egypt and Jordan in 1967 when it could have been done. Then there would be no “two state” idiocy today and Israel would be much more easily physically defended.Dealing with rockets out of Egypt or ordan would be much more clear cut and harder for other governments to condemn credibly.
“What to do about the Palestinians?”
I know what I would do. But it would be harsh.
I agree and an extreme ‘harsh’ answer is: Let the new administration and ‘their media’ solve it.
Everyone else should just step back . (along the line of: You placed the blame, you asked for it, you got it. NOW what are you gonna do?) (or who NOW to blame?)
Israel will protect themselves and probably more so without interference from those who speak safely from within the confines of their little political pseudo fifedomes.
Okay. Give them part of the UN partition called Palestine. Then it divides into Israel and Trans-Jordan. Then the newly formed nation Jordan kick them out for trouble-making, but the Isrealis still accept them in and employ them within their numerous battles to exist from the UN partion.
Then later, once Arafat refuses some 97% of the Camp David Accords, he declares and "intifada" on Israelis, who are employing the self-named Palistians (remember, Israelis were also Palis by the UN partition) from Jordan and Egypt, and they begin to blow up buses, cafes, weddings, and any other gatherings of their hosts.
Then you have stupid little battles back and forth until Israel unilaterally drags their own people out of Gaza for peace. The Palis get their quasi-state and immediately vote in the Hamas terrorist organization, while the poor oppressed Palis destroy the infra-structure the Jews left them. Have they produce or created anything since? No.
And now, the Palis have their own little shitty piece of land and continue to teach their children hate and martyrism and lob bombs at the Israels who were once their employers and have been forced to build a wall to keep the suicidal/murderous Palis out.
And again, the Palis have done NOTHING productive to build on their little desert they so wanted. All they do is rant and rave about some piece of Israel they think they have a claim to. And even if that claim were true (it's not), geeze, move on you fucking low-life losers and build a future for yourselves.
I have more respect for the tribal nations of the Amazon.
Palistians are gutter people who use their children to kill innocents. After watching the neutral documentary, "Children of Gaza", and seeing how their own women teach their children of 4 years old and up to hate, I have NO sympathy for them. No one wants them; they no claim to land (they were given their partition); they rant and rave and cut the heads of their own children in barbaric rituals. I wouldn't give a damn if they all disappeared tomorrow. I doubt anyone else would, except for Iran that uses them against the West.
Sheesh, Israel, bomb them back to the 7th century they so admire. I'm sick of these backwards hateful child-abusing pricks. Kill them all. Yes, I said it - genocide to all Palis who continue this crap. It's actually called war.
I'm not a Christian (although I try to live by many of its values), but I say bomb the fucking POS Palis into the 7th century they so long for and who teach their children to continue the shit.
I'm tired of these shitheads and everyone like them demand others live by their rules. Remember Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot, Japan's Emperer, and all the other totalitarians throughout history? Kill them all, and anyone who supports them. Decimate them so they can never rise again. I'm VERY sorry if that means collateral causulties - just kill them and let the rest of the world live in peace.
My compassion for human-kind is limited. I reserve my compassion for those who deserve it.
Hamas Charter (1988)
The Charter of Allah: The Platform of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas)
Excerpt:
...Hamas is one of the links in the Chain of Jihad in the confrontation with the Zionist invasion. It links up with the setting out of the Martyr Izz a-din al-Qassam and his brothers in the Muslim Brotherhood who fought the Holy War in 1936; it further relates to another link of the Palestinian Jihad and the Jihad and efforts of the Muslim Brothers during the 1948 War, and to the Jihad operations of the Muslim Brothers in 1968 and thereafter. But even if the links have become distant from each other, and even if the obstacles erected by those who revolve in the Zionist orbit, aiming at obstructing the road before the Jihad fighters, have rendered the pursuance of Jihad impossible; nevertheless, the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).
Article Eight: The Slogan of the Hamas
Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html
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Knowing that Israel will not do this, I never understand why they continue to provide water, food, electricity, medicine and other support systems to gaza and the west bank.
hamas wants the destruction of Israel and all of it's citizens killed. It's in their charter and is the central part of their reason for being.
You can't negotiate with one that will only be satisfied with your death.
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