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Carl Orff the composer lived monstrous lie: Hid secret about betrayal of friend under Third Reich
Times online ^ | December 19, 2008 | Richard Morrison

Posted on 12/21/2008 12:43:29 PM PST by billorites

The opening line of Carmina Burana “O Fortuna!” could hardly be more apt. Few composers felt themselves more at the mercy of capricious gods and twists of fate than its composer, Carl Orff. He was never a diehard Nazi; indeed, he looked with disdain on their oafish cultural values. Far from espousing the hounding of “inferior races”, he was fascinated by jazz and by what today we would call world music. Yet he rose to become one of the Third Reich’s top musicians.

According to one of his four wives, he “found it impossible to love” and “despised people”. Yet in Carmina Burana he created the world’s jolliest musical celebration of boozing, feasting and generally enjoying the sins of other people’s flesh.

He turned his back on his own teenage daughter, who adored him. “He didn’t want me in his married life,” she recalls sadly. Yet he was (and, in some quarters, still is) adulated in educational circles for his Schulwerksystem of teaching music to young children through rhythm and gesture – a system he originally intended to flog to the Hitler Youth movement. It is still used around the world, particularly (and paradoxically) to help children with cerebral palsy, who would probably not be alive if Hitler’s Germany had triumphed.

A connoisseur of Greek drama, and a perceptive scholar who edited and performed Monteverdi long before the rest of the world rediscovered the Baroque genius, he talked eloquently about the need for people to express themselves through art if they were to become “complete” human beings. Yet one of his wives says that he himself was full of “demonic forces” and would “wake up screaming at night”. He used people shamelessly. Yet, as another wife puts it, “all his life he wanted forgiveness” for the guilt that consumed him.

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TOPICS: Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: carlorff; classicalmusic; hitler; nazigermany; nazis; orff; thirdreich
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To: Emperor Palpatine

And Walter Geiseking.


21 posted on 12/21/2008 3:27:37 PM PST by jammer
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To: billorites

BTTT


22 posted on 12/21/2008 3:36:23 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Join us on the best FR thread, 8000+ posts: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Gosh, I'd never seen this before.
23 posted on 12/21/2008 3:43:32 PM PST by billorites
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To: antiRepublicrat

“Still, the Carmina Burana ranks among the best live performances I’ve ever seen of any kind. The power of the chorous and drums just don’t come out in a recording.”

I was first introduced to this wonderful piece of music via Alvin Ailey’s Dance Company in NYC. It was a performance at City Center. I was mesmerized by the power and beauty ofthe music and dancing. The CD I have of Carmina Burana is definitely not as wonderful as it was in that live performance.


24 posted on 12/21/2008 5:32:26 PM PST by tob2 (No retreat!)
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To: tob2

I have the old recording with Eugen Jochum conducting, the Schöneberg Boys’ Choir and Berlin Deutsche Oper Chorus singing. It’s awesome, but still not close to live.


25 posted on 12/21/2008 5:48:19 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: jammer

Gieseking actually fled Germany and the Nazis. (Oddly for a German pianist, he became legendary for his interpretations of
French music, notably Debussy.)

As did Artur Schnabel, Hans Hotter, and Otto Klemperer.

And Arturo Toscanini had some choice words for both Mussolini and Hitler.


26 posted on 12/21/2008 6:35:16 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: Borges

Well, the Soviets did produce Emil Gilels, Lazar Berman, and Sviatoslav Richter. Three of the greatest pianists to ever stalk the concert stage.


27 posted on 12/21/2008 6:38:12 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Well Eisenstien actually made propaganda films. But they were great films regardless.


28 posted on 12/21/2008 6:57:31 PM PST by Borges
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To: billorites

bet that is terrific....Robert Shaw was fantastic..


29 posted on 12/21/2008 10:08:48 PM PST by cherry
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To: Emperor Palpatine
I believe you're incorrect. Gieseking stayed in Germany during WWII, but performed in Nazi occupied France, also. I have a biography of him here, but haven't read it in over 30 years, so my memory is hazy.

He was, IIRC, married to a woman with strong Nazi ties. And his career suffered mightily for it after the war, although it was never shown that he actually collaborated (or could have!). But he certainly didn't speak out against them. That was a tough situation for an artist, and I wonder how many of us would have when it came to the real gut-check.

You are correct about the Debussy. I have several recordings of his and was, in fact, listening to the Preludes when I wrote the first post.

30 posted on 12/22/2008 3:09:07 AM PST by jammer
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To: antiRepublicrat

Nothing is as good as listening live to Carmina Burana. Saw Alvin Ailey’s performance many many times in NYC. It has become one of my favorite dance/orchestral works.


31 posted on 12/22/2008 7:54:10 AM PST by tob2 (No retreat!)
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To: Borges
Well, God knows the steps scene from "Battleship Potemkin" has been ripped off by dozens of directors over the decades, hehehe.

BTW, during WWII, Frank Capra, ("Why We Fight"), William Wyler, ("The Memphis Belle"), and John Ford, ("Battle For Midway Island"), all made what essentially were propaganda films.

Not to mention all those wartime Hollywood epics where John Wayne and Brian Donlevy almost singlehandedly defeated the Japanese on island after island or Pat O'Brien led bombing raids over the Reich......even before we got into the war Hollywood tried to drum up sympathy for Britain under the Blitz with "Mrs. Miniver".

And you can't deny that Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph Des Willens" isn't a powerful work of genius.
32 posted on 12/22/2008 8:12:50 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: billorites

ROFL.

Thanks.


33 posted on 12/22/2008 8:14:25 AM PST by garyhope (Barack Hussein Obambi, Marxist traitor and the end of America and Western civilization)
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To: billorites
Frank Lloyd Wright is arguably the greatest artist in U.S. history. But, boy was he a jerk.

If you look at the homes he designed you get the feeling he was a sociopathic control freak. Of course now most of us live in homes set back from the life of the street...

34 posted on 12/28/2008 12:37:34 PM PST by GOPJ (GM's market value is a third of Bed, Bath and Beyond. Why is GM "too big to fail"? Steyn)
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To: GOPJ

My understanding, which is admittedly that of a layman, is that a major criterion of great architecture is that the buildings not fall down, as Falling Water has been since its completion.

The Great Man mythos about Wright is just another product of 20th century public relations coupled with ruling class contempt for its cultural patrimony.


35 posted on 12/28/2008 12:48:13 PM PST by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Milhous
Could the Nazi Holocaust have been carried off without expertly rousing primitive, unreflective enthusiasm in millions?

Pretty harsh. We have a lot of rousingly primitive, rhythmic neopagan popular music now, but no holocaust. And did anybody ever leave a performance of Carmina Burana in a murderous mood?

36 posted on 12/28/2008 12:56:11 PM PST by x
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To: Philo-Junius
The Great Man mythos about Wright is just another product of 20th century public relations coupled with ruling class contempt for its cultural patrimony.

You might be right.

37 posted on 12/28/2008 4:15:21 PM PST by GOPJ (GM's market value is a third of Bed, Bath and Beyond. Why is GM "too big to fail"? Steyn)
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To: GOPJ
"If you look at the homes he designed you get the feeling he was a sociopathic control freak."

Boy, was he ever.

We have a couple of his Eusonian houses near us in NH. One is open to the public and it's just gorgeous. A masterpiece of design.

The problem, is that Wright was a little guy. Maybe 5' 5" max. Trying to walk through one of his houses means I have to bend and twist at every doorway and hall. Same thing when I visit Fallingwater in PA. And I'm just a hair over 6'.

Guy was a genius, but a egomaniac and one sick mofo. Treated his wives and children dreadfully. Treated his clients only somewhat better.

38 posted on 12/28/2008 5:24:15 PM PST by billorites
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