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1 posted on 12/17/2008 12:05:27 PM PST by brownsfan
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I would go with a no-doc, adjustable, sub prime loan at 125% of the value of the house. Spend all the money on vacations, SUVs, wine and hookers.

When the money runs out, demand a bailout and force the bank to write down your loan, as you would then be a “victim.”

2 posted on 12/17/2008 12:09:15 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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get them to lower the closing costs a bit and go for it!


3 posted on 12/17/2008 12:09:39 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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Find an option with no upfront costs, and see how it washes out. Your current mortgage holder should be willing to do a low-doc refi, since they already have most of the documentation. It’ll raise the rate somewhat, but you won’t have any sunk costs to recoup. This is all assuming you have at least 20% equity in the property, by a current evaluation.


5 posted on 12/17/2008 12:11:48 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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Usually the Fed does not get involved in Mortgage rates but I read somewhere that the Fed as a last resort may move to get Mortgage rates down to 4.00

You may want to do some research on that.


6 posted on 12/17/2008 12:14:10 PM PST by Hang'emAll
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I would wait, they will be paying us to borrow money soon.


8 posted on 12/17/2008 12:14:57 PM PST by SFR
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If you’ve done the math, the numbers should speak for themselves.

The only variable is that mortgage rates MIGHT drop a bit more down the road.


9 posted on 12/17/2008 12:15:02 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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I think I’d wait. I believe rates will go lower and they’ll be begging people to rewrite loans for a fee.


10 posted on 12/17/2008 12:15:11 PM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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I’m in the same situation as you and am seriously contemplating a refi. My area was hard hit by the housing bubble and home prices have just returned to a reasonable level, so my house is at a fair price and money is cheap (if you can get it). I was told, however, that the rule of thumb is get a loan that’s 2 points lower than what you have now, which for you and I would be 3.75%.....?


11 posted on 12/17/2008 12:15:30 PM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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Refinance at a lower rate for 10 years.


12 posted on 12/17/2008 12:17:31 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is the Antichrist.)
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Borrow as much as you can out of your home including knowing what payment you can make. Don't plan on paying it off.

Set up a small cash reserve in a savings account. Place the extra cash-out into an Indexed Universal Life Insurance program making a non-taxable gain of about 8.27% with a 167 year old insurance company with 1.,59-1 asset to piolicy ratio.

In about 11 years, you'll have twice as much money and from the beginning you'll have a death benefit and can take out the surrender value anythime you want.

Equity has no loan-to-value, it's not very liquid, hard to take out when you need it (unemployed, injured, or elderly).

In short, you'd be paying about 4% for the money after the tax deduction and making about 8%. You will have set up your own personal arbitrage. You will enhance your retirement and you will own your own bank.

14 posted on 12/17/2008 12:18:30 PM PST by nufsed
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Honestly, two things jump out at me. First, the closing costs sound high. Second, be very certain you will maintain the discipline to keep paying the amount you are paying on your current mortgage or else all you are doing is extending the life of your loan and will end up paying more in interest.


16 posted on 12/17/2008 12:19:29 PM PST by Obadiah (NOMR! - Not One More RINO!)
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We have a small mtg. we took out to put an addition on. It’s about 40,000 and the rate is close to 5.1 for a 15 year. I happened to be talking to my bank yesterday and asked if they thought rates were going to go low enough for it to be worth it to refinance. She quoted me a rate similar to yours, but with no closing costs. They are a reputable 5 star bank, so you might want to take a look at their rates: http://www.thirdfederal.com/. BTW, she said, wait, we might see rates even lower.


18 posted on 12/17/2008 12:22:33 PM PST by Dawn531
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Be sure to consider a 15-year loan, if you aren't doing so already. Since you only have 12 years left, the length is almost the same.
34 posted on 12/17/2008 12:36:45 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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I’d negotiate with them over the closing costs.
If they could refi to 4.5% with no cc I’d go for it-
assuming the loan you have and will get has NO prepayment penalty. Get a number at the bank to call to check on the rates daily and a way to lock in and keep shopping around.
And get even more gazelle intense about paying off your mortgage. It sounds very do-able.


38 posted on 12/17/2008 12:40:19 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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Wait until O gets in office. The recent Fed move and the Dem stimulus package will lower 30 year rates to 4.5%. Then refinance and take out as much equity as you can and park it somewhere safe, like gold, food, and guns.

After O and Pelosi are through with their ‘stimulus’ measures, the economy will be wrecked for good.

BTW, I am only half joking. I am about the same age as you and have 250k equity in my house, have a 4.875% 15 yr mortgage with 8 years left. If rates get down to 4.5% for 30 years, I will pull as much equity out as possible. My house payment at 325k mortgage would be about what my current 15 yr mortgage payment is, and the tax reduction combined with return I can get make it a no brainer. Good luck!


43 posted on 12/17/2008 12:44:58 PM PST by milwguy (........)
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4.875 % is too high. Wait till it drops to .04875 % I’m sure the Fed will accomodate you eventually. Then you can save real money!


50 posted on 12/17/2008 1:14:57 PM PST by Nonstatist
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What would your savings (interest) on a 15-year mortgage be?


51 posted on 12/17/2008 1:45:29 PM PST by agrarianlady
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I owe about 93k on it

You neglected to report the current value. No advice can be valid unless that is known.

53 posted on 12/17/2008 2:52:58 PM PST by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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If the US is really are going into a deflationary time - and it does seem that way - you might want to wait for rates to drop more. A new low fixed with no prepayment penalty would be nice.
57 posted on 12/17/2008 3:26:17 PM PST by GOPJ (Gun Control-:- like trying to control stray dogs by neutering veterinarians.- G. Jonas)
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If it falls to 2%, its a heckuva deal. But a one percent rate difference, I wouldn't bother.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

64 posted on 12/17/2008 5:09:43 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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