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In defense of bad singing (Kanye West on SNL, industry use of autotune, and the changing culture)
LA Times ^ | 04:10 PM PT, Dec 15 2008 | August Brown

Posted on 12/17/2008 10:32:48 AM PST by weegee

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To: avacado

I know she’s a lefty and all that, but damn I had the hots for her back in the day.


41 posted on 12/17/2008 11:34:20 AM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: Moose4

I saw them at Mohegan Sun. What a fantastic show.


42 posted on 12/17/2008 11:35:20 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: dfwgator
"I know she’s a lefty and all that, but damn I had the hots for her back in the day."

She is one lefty I make an exception for! And yep, she is one hottie -- even today!

43 posted on 12/17/2008 11:36:54 AM PST by avacado
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To: dfwgator

LOL! I think I remember that. I was a big fan from his first album and liked his earliest stuff. The problem is I cannot listen to his stuff that much even though I like it. I do not know why. He also turned out to be a anti-gun lefty and semi-Sting-like ego maniac.

From his era in the same vein I could listen to Joe Jackson more.


44 posted on 12/17/2008 11:38:53 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: avacado

Well at least she didn’t get fat like Linda Ronstadt.


45 posted on 12/17/2008 11:39:05 AM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: dfwgator
I know she’s a lefty and all that, but damn I had the hots for her back in the day.

And just what's wrong with her being left-handed?

Oh, wait...you meant...never mind.

46 posted on 12/17/2008 11:41:40 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat. But they know what's best.)
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To: weegee
BRITNEY SPEARS LIVE MIC FEED! Truly pathetic.

On the other hand, I have MASSIVE respect for the engineers who can make that sound good!

47 posted on 12/17/2008 11:44:08 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: LottieDah

So who were the guys that actually did the singing for Milli Vanilli and why didn’t they just put them on tour instead? Never have figured that one out. Were they just to ugly to be seen in public or what?


48 posted on 12/17/2008 11:44:14 AM PST by Dr. Zzyzx
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To: RobRoy
I quit a cover band recently soon after they added a Bob Dylan tune. I have had heard better bean induced tones.
49 posted on 12/17/2008 11:49:45 AM PST by lormand
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To: dfwgator

“When you guys were slaves, you sang like birds.”
“swing low.....”


50 posted on 12/17/2008 11:50:46 AM PST by Iron head mike (quit driving! we're melting the polar ice caps, on mars.....)
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To: EggsAckley

I have no idea how you could do it. One night a month let alone 6 nights a week.

The problem for me talking about Sinatra is he was larger then life, such a big star and kind of a jerk. It is like too easy because he was so popular. Popular today usually means crap and hype. However, technically he was amazing. So smooth. He worked very hard at it early on and there was a smart mind behind the training. dean Martin had a wonderful voice but I think it was all natural with him while Frank trained himself to get exactly what he wanted. Tony Bennett, in my mind, was not in the same league.

There is a youngish guy now in his 40’s who sounds like him circa 1940s and 1950s. Better than Harry Connick by far. Steve Lippia. The story supposedly is he made a demo tape with a cheezy backing orchestra kareoke tape or something. Someone sent the tape to one of Frankie’s old band leader cronies. The guy was driving around, probably a Caddy, and was looking for a tape to listen to. He got the tape and forgot about it. He played it and said - hey that is Frank but that orchestra stinks. He thought is was Frank circa 1940s/1950s.

Lippia was from CT but was working and living near West Palm Beach. He got a band to play a club in Hollywood, FL. Frankie’s old cronies show up. They close their eyes and swear it is Frankie. I am not big on impersonators but this guy can sing plus he sings like Frank when he was in his prime.


51 posted on 12/17/2008 11:51:17 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: weegee

An absolutely purely atrocious article that makes me wish I had not already cancelled my LA Times subscription so I could do it again.

I had never seen Kanye West sing. I’d heard the idiocy he spouted at Bush, and the plastic surgeon who stitched up my little son’s boo-boo is the brother of the doctor who killed Kanye’s mom, but that was my only Kevin Bacon connection to him.

I saw him on Saturday Night Live, and was so shocked by his poor singing that I did not even hit fast forward. I thought he was a huge pop star, and the man literally can’t hold a note. I was watching to see any sign of talent, but he didn’t move spectacularly either. The songs were kind of catchy, not bad, really, but his singing! He is like a first day reject from American Idol.

Race has nothing to do with it. Some people cannot sing, and Kanye West is one of them.


52 posted on 12/17/2008 11:52:29 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: weegee
it feels fraught with the racist meme that all African-Americans are supposed to be able to sing well.

No, they're all supposed to have rhythm; and, knowing a lot of real Africans, I can say they certainly would not have gotten it from there.

Hank Williams, Jr. is notorious for going flat at the ends of phrases and needing things bumped back up to pitch.

There are a lot of vocally really interesting singers out there who have rough (Tom Waits) or quirky voices (Elvis Costello) that would never ever be found on Radio Disney who, nevertheless, still have something interesting to say, an interesting way to present it, and manage to sing on pitch.
53 posted on 12/17/2008 11:52:37 AM PST by aruanan
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To: dfwgator

"I get no kick from champagne...."

54 posted on 12/17/2008 11:54:05 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Liberty has few friends, many enemies, and no adequate substitute.)
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To: Dr. Zzyzx

“So who were the guys that actually did the singing for Milli Vanilli and why didn’t they just put them on tour instead? Never have figured that one out. Were they just to ugly to be seen in public or what?”

No, they just weren’t young enough...it’s all about image and youth. I think the real singers were middle-aged.


55 posted on 12/17/2008 11:54:25 AM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

That’s the pic I was looking for.


56 posted on 12/17/2008 11:55:24 AM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: lormand

LOL! Like Neil young alone. Voice sucks but when you added other lefties like Crosby, Stills and Nash it sounded good.

If I have to listen to Dylan it is through The Byrds and Jim (aka Roger) McGuinn who is now a devout Christian (so I doubt he is a lib).

His 12-string picking style on a Rickenbacker still sounds great today.


57 posted on 12/17/2008 11:56:03 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: Moose4
Yeah, I was hoping to catch him and Krauss in Birmingham a couple of months ago, but circumstances didn't allow it. Our consolation prize is a pair of lower level tickets to see Trans-Siberian Orchestra in concert Saturday.


58 posted on 12/17/2008 11:57:09 AM PST by Viking2002 (Let's be proactive and start the impeachment NOW.)
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To: EggsAckley

The older I get, the more I appreciate just how wonderful and rare Frank Sinatra’s voice was. The work he did in the late 50s and early 60s was stunning, mature, and complex.


59 posted on 12/17/2008 11:57:49 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Liberty has few friends, many enemies, and no adequate substitute.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

I think he even got better with age. More interesting phrasing, etc.

One singer who I never could stomach was Dinah Shore. I swear, she HAD to have been somebody’s relative to get a gig. And in her case, her voice just got worse and worse. Ewwwwwww........


60 posted on 12/17/2008 12:03:52 PM PST by EggsAckley
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