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Oh, BTW, I had to be sprayed with chemical deterants IOT be certified to carry it, and it really, really hurt, but I think I could have still carried out an attack. Not only that, I did the gas chamber at Ft. Knox and Ft. Jackson for the military....great for clearing out the sinus'!

Thanks again!

1 posted on 12/12/2008 11:31:33 AM PST by DCBryan1
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No personal experience, but a good non-lethal alternative.
This is one of the best for what I understand:
http://www.foxlabs.com/html.html
YMMV


2 posted on 12/12/2008 11:34:22 AM PST by elpinta (Insured by Walther, Glock, Smith & Wesson.)
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I’m not convinced a food seasoning is really an effective deterrent to a drugged up thug ... whereas anything with a “4” in the caliber designation works wonders.


3 posted on 12/12/2008 11:34:58 AM PST by mgc1122
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Pepper spray works for dogs. Mace works for humans. Problem is, I doubt mace is legal in your jurisdiction. In the slight chance that it is, however . . . .


4 posted on 12/12/2008 11:35:22 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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On crack.... it doesn’t do much, same for some other narcotics...


5 posted on 12/12/2008 11:36:03 AM PST by Sleeping Freeper
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Just get Guard Alaska. It is strong enough for Bears and certainly should work on criminals. If you want it on line you can get it on Ebay relatively cheap.
6 posted on 12/12/2008 11:36:31 AM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and may have doomed us for a generation or more.)
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Don’t discount pepper spray. The real benefit to pepper spray is that you can carry into places that you cannot carry a firearm. For example, you could leave a bar at 1:30am armed with pepper spray, while you’d be either disarmed or a felon if you relied solely on a firearm. Ditto for hospitals and other locations where it’s not legal to carry in most jurisdictions.


8 posted on 12/12/2008 11:36:41 AM PST by Melas
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In the future, note the FR sidebar is reserved for FR business and not this.


9 posted on 12/12/2008 11:37:05 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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If you pepper an attacker with this, your problem will be solved.


10 posted on 12/12/2008 11:37:11 AM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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Why not just kill the perp?


11 posted on 12/12/2008 11:37:53 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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Can't help you much, but I have seem lots of true-life cop shows where pepper spray meant nothing to a meth-crazed loony. You may wish to add to your list that spraying a drug-addled attacker may only make him mad.

Perhaps a candy-gram would suffice? Mongo like candy

12 posted on 12/12/2008 11:38:36 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspell)
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An important thing to remember about pepper spray is its limitations. It has to get to the mucus membranes to be effective. It does not work well into the wind, or in close spaces like in a car, where it as likely to incapacitate the sprayer as the person being sprayed.

If the perpetrator is at all familiar with pepper spray, they can hold their breath and wear wraparound sun glasses to divert the spray from the eyes. This is relatively effective armor against pepper spray.


15 posted on 12/12/2008 11:40:44 AM PST by marktwain
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It’s better than a flashlight for defense.

Get a CCW permit.


17 posted on 12/12/2008 11:41:55 AM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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OC spray is a distractant and not a deterant. It will give you time to beat feet, at best, and that’s it. Shelf life is good, effectiveness in cold weather is reduced because it does not vaporize as much in cold air as it does in warm. In warm weather a chest hit will vaporize and hit the lungs much better than in cold. A face hit in all weather does the job.

Some people can handle OC with little effect. Others it drops them to their knees. In any case extreme emotion can override the pain. On the whole, its a limited tool and is in no way an all around solution.

On the other hand, since it is not lethal people are more inclined to actually use it and use early. People who won’t use a gun or taser will use OC spray and will use it early enough to make a difference. I recommend it because of that factor alone. I tell people who ask about it that if they are even approached in a threatening manner such that they fear for their safety they should spray first and ask questions later. You can’t really say that with guns or tasers.

My 2 cents.


18 posted on 12/12/2008 11:42:10 AM PST by Dogrobber
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Eventually, sooner or later, the thing will go off in your pocket. If some day you actually have to use it you will spray yourself as much as the bear. Your screaming will collapse the bear in laughter.


19 posted on 12/12/2008 11:42:50 AM PST by RightWhale (We were so young two years ago and the DJIA was 12,000)
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....great for clearing out the sinus

You can say that again! When we got the dose in Boot Camp, I had snot coming from orifices that I didn't know could produce it.

21 posted on 12/12/2008 11:44:24 AM PST by ErnBatavia ("Zero"..STILL using that stupid "Office of The President Elect" podium....)
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I took a LTC course a couple of weeks ago and the instructor touted the use of Pepper spray.[We were there to cert for Pistol carry]

Some reasons to carry were interesting:
*Not harm/kill surrounding people
*Spray and run- if you see an out
*If your weapon was turned on you- you wouldn’t be shot

But in the long run he suggested we could/should carry pepper spray on the left side and a gun on the right.

In the long run every situation will be different, course training and practice is a must, with a gun or spray.
{Know what both of them can/will do]


24 posted on 12/12/2008 11:47:28 AM PST by libertarian27 (Land of the Fee, Home of the Shamed)
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There's a video on youtube showing how to make your own pepper spray and reuse something like a little spray bottle for lens cleaner you get at the drugstore. You could somehow check it and make up a new batch. I bought some years ago and don't know if it is still good.

Personally I'd rather have something with a lengthier dispersal trajectory. You have to be close for spray.

I wouldn't want to depend on pepper spray alone for some of the reasons given by previous posters.

26 posted on 12/12/2008 11:59:29 AM PST by Aliska
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First, a small spray can is unlikely to be a visual deterrent. A rapist probably would not see it as a threat.

A gun is ALWAYS a visual deterrent to everyone but the totally enraged and insane.

Second, you have to hit the attacker IN THE EYES to get full effect.

Hit them with a bullet most anywhere and they will most likely stop and flee or at least slow down enough for another shot. Even if you miss, the BANG! may bring an attacker to his senses and cause them to flee.

Third, it may not incapacitate the rapist, it may only enrage him, at which time the victim is much more likely to be serious harmed. If the attacker has already broken into your house, they may just gut it out and attack anyway, holding the victim down while they recover.

While a bullet shot may not be incapacitating, a second, third, fourth, and fifth will most likely put them down for the count.

Fourth, viable usage life while in your purse? Who knows? It may work, it may not after being carried for a year.

A good carry gun, like a hammerless S&W 38 Special loaded with hollow points will be ready to go for years. Just take it out, wipe it off, and clear the barrel and it is good for another year.


27 posted on 12/12/2008 12:11:31 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is the Antichrist.)
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We hit a guy with a facefull of OC. He continues to fight,. It took about 4 of us to contain him without hurting him. Maybe 10-15 minutes after he got sprayed, we have him cuffed and on his stomach in the back of the cruiser, and suddenly he says," OOOW!" and starts rubbing his face on the back of the car seat.

So If you can run faster than the bad guy for fifteen minutes, maybe you can rely on OC. I always have some, but I don't depend on it.

31 posted on 12/12/2008 12:23:38 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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Pepper spray is a good deterrent for stray dogs, but I would never depend on it against a person, because it is haphazard.

However, guns are for sensible minors and adults, not liberals. For them I would recommend Tasers, for several reasons.

First of all, they are legally “less than lethal”, so it is unlikely that anyone suing *everyone* because of their use will have much luck.

Second, because I would never expect a liberal to fire a gun when appropriate, or in the right direction, or with any care and attention to their downrange area.

Third, because in a Mexican standoff, a Taser will often win against a handgun or a knife.

And fourth, a Taser fills that great big gray area between doing nothing at all and lethal force. Any number of things can go wrong in a confrontation, and the worst you can get from a Taser is “sorry”.


32 posted on 12/12/2008 12:33:16 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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