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101,000 SEE USC TOPPLE NOTRE DAME, 13-0 (12/4/38)
Microfiche-New York Times archives | 12/4/38 | Associated Press

Posted on 12/04/2008 5:47:47 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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but the combined passing and running brought the edge to Troy by 151 yards to 132.

In the first period the Irish drove from midfield to the Trojan 22, but lost the ball on downs as the Trojan aerial defense swamped the Irish passers.

Early in the second quarter Notre Dame’s Morrison fumbled and Gaspar got the ball on the Irish 21, but two plays later the Trojans fumbled and Morrison recovered. Rocking back and forth, Troy steamed up a drive of 53 yards that carried to the Irish 16, but Gaspar’s try for a field goal from the 25 was wide.

The result left Notre Dame with seven victories in the series and Southern California with five, while one game was tied. Notre Dame’s first chance in eight years for an undefeated, untied season was stopped by Troy’s best team in five years.

An exchange of punts after the opening kick-off set Notre Dame back to its 14. After another kick, the Trojans swung into action from midfield.

Sangster was thrown for a 16-yard loss after a pass had missed completion by inches. Then Sitko returned Lansdell’s punt 12 to the Irish 32.

A 15-yard punt return to midfield was nullified by a holding penalty against Troy and a fumble set the Trojans back farther to their 20. Anderson’s punt was taken by the Irish on their 40. Again Notre Dame had to kick, and Troy took the ball on its 16 this time.

First Period Scoreless

Suddenly Notre Dame completed a pass, Saggau to Zontini, for 24 yards, putting the Irish on the Trojan 27. Notre Dame could pick up only 5 yards, however, and Southern Californian took the ball on the 22, as two passes failed. The first period ended there, scoreless.

The Trojans had to kick again, and the Irish took the ball on their 42. Neither could Notre Dame gain. The visitors punted to the 24 and Anderson’s immediate quick kick set the Irish back to their 28. A break for the Trojans came when Gaspar recovered Morrison’s fumble on the Irish 21.

On the second play thereafter, Morrison recovered a Trojan fumble on his 24. Anderson returned Stevenson’s punt 14 yards to the Irish 41. Troy had to kick but Anderson’s boot went out of bounds on the Notre Dame 29. Troy made its initial first down after the Irish kick when Anderson passed to Jones for 23 to Notre Dame’s 46.

Two smashes by Santa [I think they mean “Banta,” but I like the typo-Homer] put Troy on the Irish 35 and Anderson broke away to the 22 off left tackle. Troy was held on the 16 and Gaspar’s attempted field goal from the 25 was wide by a few feet. Tonelli broke away for 23 yards to the Irish 43, but was thrown back to his 27 trying to pass.

The Irish gambled on fourth down, running the ball, but failed to make a first down and Troy took the ball. With five seconds of the first half to go Day threw a pass to Krueger, who got behind the secondaries and ran to a touchdown. It was a 37 yard gain.

Irish Gain on Punt Exchange

Notre Dame gained 15 yards on the first exchange of punts in the second half, but Day intercepted Saggau’s pass on Troy’s 39. Southern California had to punt from there and Notre Dame swung into action once more, from its 26 this time.

They exchanged punts without materially changing the nip-and-tuck battle. Then Saggau broke loose for 16 yards to midfield. Zontini drove through to the Trojan 41, but the Irish had to punt. The Trojans took the ball on their 19.

Day’s quick kick rolled out on the Irish 42. Notre Dame lost 7 yards in two plays as the quarter ended, with Southern California still in front by 6 points.

Stevenson punted to Troy’s 30 and Day quick kicked the Irish back to their 22. Piepul fumbled and Jones recovered for Troy on the Irish 35. Jones caught Anderson’s pass on the 24 and then Anderson drove to a first down on the 14.

Banta and Anderson advanced to the 3-yard line and Anderson slid over right guard to score. Gaspar kicked the goal, giving Southern California a 13-to-0 lead.

Notre Dame took the next kick-off and ran and passed to the Trojan 28. Saggau’s 21-yard run aided materially. Tonelli plunged his way in three tries to the 15 for another first down. Jones intercepted a pass on his 2-yard line and ran the ball back to his 31 to end the threat.

Failing to gain, Troy punted to the Notre Dame 20. The game ended as another Notre Dame pass was intercepted deep in the Irish territory.

TROJANS READY FOR DUKE

Coach Says They Will ‘Do All Right’-Irish Disheartened

LOS ANGELES, Dec. 3 (AP). The saddest lads in the country tonight were the Notre Dame football players, the happiest the Trojans of Southern California after their triumph over the Irish.

Coach Elmer Layden of Notre Dame remained closeted with the squad for thirty minutes after the game, delaying the usual press conference as he talked with the boys.

“I would say,” Layden declared, once outside the dressing room, “our effort today, while as fine as any coach has a right to expect, was not up to some of our previous performances. It seemed to me our running attack was less potent than earlier in the season.

Defending decisions made by his quarterback, Layden asserted, “Every man on my team is right in any decision he makes.”

On the opposite side, Coach Howard Jones spoke quietly in praise of his team. “I believe,” he said, “we can promise to do all right against Duke in the Rose Bowl, but that is something else to worry about now.


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1 posted on 12/04/2008 5:47:47 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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I couldn’t get a good copy from page 2 so I reverted to Homer’s magic fingers to complete the story.

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See what I mean?

Early in the second quarter Notre Dame’s Morrison fumbled and Gaspar got the ball on the Irish 21, but two plays later the Trojans fumbled and Morrison recovered.

A form of redemption not available to today’s big-time college players.

2 posted on 12/04/2008 5:49:18 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
How can you have a 60 minute football game with only 11 first downs [6 USC + 5 ND]?

Weird.

It was in the Memorial Coliseum, so you have to figure that rain, wind, sleet, snow, etc were not a factor.

Also, is this a misprint? "USC - Forwards intercepted by: 8"

3 posted on 12/04/2008 6:02:55 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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The first down total doesn’t seem unusual for a low-scoring game of that era. How about the penalty yards? 20 for USC, 10 for ND. That is about a quarter’s worth today. I think the interception total is 3. One by Day, one by Jones, and one to end the game.


4 posted on 12/04/2008 6:15:57 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
How can you have a 60 minute football game with only 11 first downs [6 USC + 5 ND]?

Back in those days, football had strict substitution rules and players had to play on both sides of the ball. With players doing double-duty, the fatigue factor played a role as the game wore on. Also, the passing game was still in it's evolution. Look at the passing stats in the article and see for yourself.

5 posted on 12/04/2008 6:17:11 AM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
If you examine the box score, it must mean that Notre Dame was intercepted eight times. Does seem like a lot.

BTW, I interviewed a former USC player a couple of years ago, who while he didn't play in 1938 due to injury but was on the team in ‘36,’37, and ‘39.

6 posted on 12/04/2008 6:17:56 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Don’t forget that ND actually had a coach back then compared to now! :)


7 posted on 12/04/2008 6:22:12 AM PST by MAD-AS-HELL (How does one win over terrorists? KILL them with UNKINDNESS)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
If you examine the box score, it must mean that Notre Dame was intercepted eight times. Does seem like a lot.

I think the number is a smeared 3. That is how many are described in the story.

8 posted on 12/04/2008 6:24:34 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Maybe. But I guess it might also be a misprint. I looked closely, and it looks exactly like the number 8 printed elsewhere. Hard to believe a smear loops down and up just like the curves of the number eight.
9 posted on 12/04/2008 6:32:03 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
That has to be a 3. Still 8 attempts for 3 completions and 3 interceptions are abysmal passing stats by todays standards. The passing game was definitely still in its infancy at this point.
10 posted on 12/04/2008 6:34:27 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Fun read, thanks.

My son is a student at Notre Dame, and a member of the Marching Band. At least we get to see one group of ND students perform well on the field when we go to a game. :)

11 posted on 12/04/2008 6:35:00 AM PST by TonyInOhio (The people have spoken, the bastards.)
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It is amazing to me how teams crisscrossed the country (I guess on trains) before aviation. I wonder when they did their ciphering.
12 posted on 12/04/2008 7:00:17 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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But I guess it might also be a misprint.

Could be. They turn "Banta" into "Santa" later in the story. The AP writer must have had something besides football on his mind. Acutally I'm surprised at the number of typos I find in the Times. I would have guessed their world-class proofreaders would detect all but a small portion of errors. Not so.

13 posted on 12/04/2008 7:02:34 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

You have to admit that Word 38’s spellcheck was not the best in the world. Even Dan Rather wouldn’t use it.


14 posted on 12/04/2008 7:06:39 AM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
How about the penalty yards? 20 for USC, 10 for ND. That is about a quarter’s worth today.

At the risk of having my account banned by the Admin Moderator, let me say that I can pretty much guarantee you that that discrepancy in penalty yardage is entirely due to the change in player demographics over the course of the last three quarters of a century.

If. You. Know. What. I. Mean...

15 posted on 12/04/2008 7:09:15 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: SoCal Pubbie
BTW, I interviewed a former USC player a couple of years ago, who while he didn't play in 1938 due to injury but was on the team in ‘36,’37, and ‘39.

Such a player would have been born circa 1918, and would be about 90 years old today.

16 posted on 12/04/2008 7:10:25 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Way to go, Trojans! Coach Jones’s Thundering Herd is back!

Fight on! Beat the Blue Devils!


17 posted on 12/04/2008 8:22:44 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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Don’t forget that ND actually had a coach back then compared to now!

Coach Elmer Layden was one of the Four Horsemen, as the legendary backfield of the 1924 Notre Dame team came to be known, and in 1925 played in Notre Dame's only Rose Bowl Game.

18 posted on 12/04/2008 8:49:45 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: TonyInOhio
My son is a student at Notre Dame, and a member of the Marching Band. At least we get to see one group of ND students perform well on the field when we go to a game.

Fast-forwarding to 2008, I enjoyed the Notre Dame band's performance at the Coliseum last Saturday in their pre-game and halftime shows. This is their first appearance in the stadium at least since 1974, when I attended my first USC-Notre Dame game. They even serenaded us with a rousing rendition of our theme song, "Fight on."

19 posted on 12/04/2008 8:59:23 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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That was the Duke team that went through the entire regular season undefeated, untied and unscored upon.

USC beat them in the Rose Bowl 7-3, on a last minute touchdown, the only points Duke gave up the entire year.


20 posted on 12/04/2008 12:35:07 PM PST by So Cal Rocket (I am John Galt...)
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