Posted on 11/30/2008 7:20:18 PM PST by Oyarsa
Thank you for proving my point—you wish to pressure others into not making a decision of which you don’t approve; a decision that harms noone and violates no law.
What part of doesn’t bother me in the least don’t you understand? I couldn’t care less what they do or don’t do, but I do have an opinion on it. For all I care they can continue their non-kissing policy throughout their whole marriage. Doesn’t stop me from thinking they are idiots, both before marriage, and I’m afraid probably after it. But each to their own.
Actually, it would seem that the premise that anyone believes that kissing equals the sewer exists only in your mind, given that you were the first person to argue against a premise that was never made.
“Actually, it would seem that the premise that anyone believes that kissing equals the sewer exists only in your mind, given that you were the first person to argue against a premise that was never made.”
You know, my “conversation” with you has now come to an end, as you aren’t even lucid anymore. Go talk to yourself, someone only you can understand.
“randfather kissed her grandmother for the first time on the altar.”
That’s why they say, “You may kiss the bride.” It’s supposed to be the first time.
If it didn’t bother you in the least, you would not have referred to them as “Taliban fundamentalist types” nor expressed the hope that others would not emulate their behavior. Furthermore, you have refered to them as “idiots” for making a decision of which you do not approve, which harmed no one else nor is a criminal act.
You have revealed (and continue to reveal) the extent to which their decision does bother you.
By the way, the real Taliban spend time worrying about sexual behavior (or any behavior) of persons of the opposite sex which they consider to be outside their proscribed norms. I’m enjoying the irony of your choice of labels.
I was perfectly lucid; you concocted a strawman argument and were called on it.
truly precious.
Sentence should read: “Furthermore, you have refered to them as “idiots” for making a decision of which you do not approve, which harmed no one else nor is a criminal act.”
What I meant by sewer, and I’m sure you knew, is the current sexual mores presented in media, taught in schools, and accepted in society as normal, illustrated by the prevalence of out of wedlock births, among many other examples.
No, kissing is not sewer behavior. But currently accepted sexual behaviors are either in the sewer or heading that way.
“No, kissing is not sewer behavior. But currently accepted sexual behaviors are either in the sewer or heading that way.”
The article is about kissing, we are talking about kissing, and not other sexual behaviors. These non-kissing adults are goofy.
Dating Orthodox Jews are not alone together and do not touch until their wedding, as well.
Are you saying that kissing cannot be a learned skill?
Not being an Orthodox Jew myself, I’m not as familiar with their traditions. Would you mind explaining further?
You said they “date”; are those dates accompanied by a chaperone, or do they “group date” with other Orthodox Jews?
Yep, it must be; for someone to make a commitment to limit their physical intimacy to that degree, I would imagine that they have spent their time developing mental, spiritual and emotional intimacy.
Ahh, now the claim is that they are “non-kissing adults”; how would you know this?
This is a bit much.
Apparently, it wasn’t “a bit much” for them; I’m glad they were able to keep their commitment.
I abstained from sex before marriage with my EX husband. As you may have already guessed, it did not turn out well. Sex is not everything in a marriage, but if you have a good intimate relationship it can smooth over a lot of rough spots. I am not arguing for sex before marriage, but if you’re almost thirty and on your second time around, you may want to think long and intensely about it. I just couldn’t use the phrase “long and hard”. ;>)
I’m not Orthodox either but I’ve spent time in a Lubavicher community and been involved with the schools.
They don’t date until they are ready for marriage, which is usually 18-22 for girls and slightly older (more schooling) for boys. Then the parents (with help of a matchmaker sometimes!) will arrange the dates with what they consider suitable matches. They will consider their own child’s wishes.
There is usually enough politeness to go around so that feelings are not hurt, and the dates are in public, usually to a local kosher pizza parlor or restaurant, and each one meets the other there (they do not drive together). Everyone tries to let down the other party easy if the date was not such a match.
In many ways the bride and groom are utter strangers on their wedding day. However, some basics are clear, unlike those who marry for “love” in the outside world. They will have planned the type of life they will lead, how the kids will be raised, where they will live, and many other things. They will have chosen each other based on very rational things that make a lot of sense. If either got a creepy feeling or a wrong sense about the other, they would not have gone forward. It doesn’t ALWAYS work but there are very few divorces in the chassidic world. Couples can grow in love.
It’s not for everyone but sometimes I think marriages would be a lot better if the couple had all their loved ones working on the match, and were making decisions based on rational similar desires rather than just sexual attraction. I mean, anyone can mate.
You’re a vile pervert. Fear God and repent.
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