Posted on 11/07/2008 10:40:35 AM PST by Traviswf
Oh - and as for the birthplace origin thing: I think the consensus on that is that you only to have be born a citizen of the United States. Which means that if Obama’s mother is a citizen - which she seems to be - then so is he.
So whether he still has his real birth certificate or not is a moot point. And if he WAS born in Kenya, and his mother fudged it to show he was born in Hawaii - then it’s possible that secret died with her. Either way, it’s possible Obama wouldn’t know one way or the other what the truth is - having not really been cognizant of the whole being born part of his life.
“So who sent you over here? Kos? DU? How the daily reports back to HQ? I sense a promotion in your future.”
I’ve tried to report back to HQ, but it’s become increasingly hard to find the Democratic Underground since they are...well...underground. And I told Kos my reports, but I don’t think he was listening, judging from the way he was pouring over his “Socialist Amerika” checklist.
And I wish there was a promotion - but you know how it is in collectives...it’s always a lateral move.
So why even bother posting here.
Obviously, the differences between you and most people here is a fundamentally different world view. Which is not something that can be easily changed either way. You’re not changing anybody’s mind. And you won’t be changing yours either.
So what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
_________________________________________________ I've seen more evidence of this potential, than evidence to the contrary...
* The frozen access to ANY of his documented history.
* His use and encouragement of Personality Cult worship.
* His elevation to power with NONE of the resume or experience usually associated with such positions.
* His 20+ year history with Black Liberation Theology.
* His propensity to accumulate friends, most of us regard as enemies.
* His birth from the womb of corrupt Chicago politics.
* His relationship, funding and utilization of organizations whose goals are contrary to National Interest or Laws.....ie, Bill Ayers, Farrakhan, ACORN, MoveOn.org, New Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Rev. Wright, George Soros, etc, etc.....
* His early relationship with known Communists and his early "arrangements" with the American Socialist/Communist Party
* I'm sure I could mention at least a dozen additional "warning flags".....dealing with Character, Agenda and Integrity.
"Aren’t we getting a LITTLE carried away with this? It doesn’t matter how charismatic a President is - he’s still only one part of 1/3 of the Government. There’s always the mid term elections, the Supreme Court, impeachment, re-election, the Washington Post, etc.
I think the belief that a President could tear apart the fabric of American democracy shows a stunning lack of faith in the American people and our system of government.
He will be, after all, JUST a President.
_________________________________________________ Well - it appears you fail to comprehend the damage that can be done by a single term Democrat President who has both the House and Senate with strong if not bullet proof Leftist Democrat control - and a Federal Judiciary sufficiently loaded with ample "like thinking" Leftist and activist Judges....
For a refresher course on the damage possible from a single term Democrat President -- check out the record of Jimmy Carter!
The Democrats successfully restrained Judicial appointments during Bush's administrations and will now move quickly to fill those spots with LIFELONG "fellow travelers"....
The Economy is in shambles - due LARGELY to Democrat, Black Congressional Caucus and OBAMA's clearly incompetent, reckless and self serving "constituent" pandering "high risk loans" forced on Lending Institutions in violation of all fiduciary responsibility.....
The Republic is involved in two hot wars and several heating up theaters --- with a President elect who has ALWAYS been critical of our conduct of war against the Islamic forces who want this war.
This President elect campaigned in an empty suit, with a glib sermon on CHANGE and HOPE -- then collects around him folks whose records are well known with histories as unsavory as his own.....
Once again - I should mention, America is NOT a democracy.. It is a Constitution based Federal Republic.
For you to speak of the President of the United States as "Just a President" -- speaks loudly of your lack of understanding of the power an American President whose party controls both houses of Congress and much of the Judiciary.
Your naivety is raised to the "Nth" power by your suggestion that the American voter whose ignorance was recently confirmed and the Washington Post will rise to rescue America from a rogue Government.
Time will tell if my concerns are rational or not.... I suspect it will not take long..... We should all know for sure within the 1st year, if not within the 1st 100 days.
Well, I'll thank you for the courteous reply.
We have a difference of position- I think the signs for a potential Mussolini are blatant.
You don't, and that's fine.
Just one thing?
You're betting your freedom- and life-- on your position...
...hope yer right...
So, the country is beautiful to you when we are huddled masses in survival mode?
Thank you for writing a well reasoned, well thought out and repsectful letter. This is the time for venting from any losing side, you’re right. And as emotions die down, I too, hope for only good things for this country. But I must tel; you that I don’t think that will happen.
NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. Different.
Let me get this straight.
When you guys talk about Obama’s national security force - you’re referring SOLELY to his comments in a July 2nd speech in Colorado Springs? Where he said:
“And we’re gonna we’ll also grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve gotta have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”
This wasn’t a part of Obama’s prepared text, which suggests it’s an awkward wording of exactly what he’s talking about here: expanding the size of the diplomatic corps, Peace Corps, and other civilian projections of American soft power.
Now, there does not seem to be any mention anywhere else, ever about Obama raising some kind of new police force or “national security force.” There is, however, many articles written about Obama’s belief in “soft power” and diplomacy - as well as volunteer service like Americorps and the Peace Corps.
It seems like a massive stretch to take one off-script statement in one speech, in context with other aspects of service like Americorps and the Peace Corps - and extrapolate it to a gestapo like army of jack booted thugs.
It appears nowhere else in Obama’s campaign literature on his campaign site, or on Change.gov. None of the press who follow him have written about it - which they certainly would if it were an actual policy proposal.
Furthermore - if this were to become a real initiative - everyone would know about it. He’d have to propose it to congress, we could examine the language, both parties would debate it, etc. etc.
This seems a very far fetched concern based on a single (off script) utterance in a single speech, that furthermore neglects the reality such a proposal would face on the floor of congress before ever coming close to reality...
Now you’re defending Rahm after YOU likened him to an embarrassment?
*sigh
Go help chill things down in your town over the Mormon shilling going on. It is your party behind it - (see Facebook group to abolish tax-exempt status for LDS, CNN/CBS/MSNBC reporting of the Mormon influence).
You bat for the wrong team and I can’t wait to see the pending disappointment in your choices.
I never likened Emmanuel to an embarrassment. I think you got one of my posts crossed with another, maybe. It wasn’t my intention to suggest Rahm Emmanuel was an embarrassment, as I’ve never believed he was.
And I haven’t looked too much into the tax exempt fight with the LDS, but they funneled quite a bit of money into the Prop 8 fight - so turnabout seems fair play. But again, I don’t know the details of all of this yet.
I’m not sure where you were on 9/11 - but outside of New York and D.C., I don’t think there were too many hudddled masses in “survival mode.”
But, yes - the country, and its people, were still beautiful.
And as an aside, could you list for me any rights in the United States Constitution that don't accrue to indivduals?
Comments from an Obama voter (not trolling)
Sun Nov 9 23:20:16 2008 · 595 of 635
Traviswf to AmericanGirlRising
“Every side has their embarrassments.”
Yes, you were likening Rahm to an embarrassment. It’s obvious you’ve bitten off more than you can chew here in FR thread. Shew....!
Interesting how you can discern that I was talking about Emmanuel in a five word post. I was actually referring to a woman who expected Obama to pay her mortgage and her bills and so forth. That’s who I referred to as an embarrassment.
Much like the right has their embarrassment, such as the woman who told John McCain she was afraid of Obama because he’s “an Arab.”
When 65 million people vote for a candidate - chances are you’ll find a large number of them who are not well informed or are voting for reasons you find laughable.
But no - that post had nothing to do with Rahm Emmanuel, and I’m sorry if I somehow lead you to come to that conclusion.
William Ayers dedicated his new book Praire Fire to, among many others, one Sirhan Sirhan.
Your party, namely Barack Obama, gave him grants to "educate" children in Chicago.
As recently as 9/11/01 he was stepping on the flag while his countrymen were being buried.
How do you defend somebody like this by attempting to minimise what he did?
Like wise Senator Obama advocates raising the cap gains tax rate. Senator Obama seems to understand that raising capital gains tax rates applies downward pressure on GDP and employee wages. Yet he insists it is the "fair" thing to do.
Would you care to explain that to me?
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