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Posted on 11/05/2008 10:26:37 PM PST by Oye Gente
Sorry for the vanity, but I am still a bit depressed over last nights results. I am an unlikely poster. I am 25 years old (ive always been an old soul), an immigrant from a communist country, and a "lifelong" republican. Bill Clinton made me a Republican, after seeing how he disgraced the office among other decisions I completely disagreed with at such a young age. I have voted straight GOP all of my voting life.
I still remember years ago sitting and watching a Governor from Texas announce with his wife from a lawn that he was forming an exploratory commitee, and I thought to myself, this man is going to bring honor and dignity to the White House, and he did.
Why did we lose so badly last night?, and why is our economy and this country in shambles after 8 years?, what did we do wrong, did we overreach? and how do we regroup?. Our values and our party have been mostly rejected here and around the world. I know that Republican values, small government, strong military, low taxes and personal responsibility are the way to go, I have experienced the fruits of these values personally as a successful business owner. But the question, how do we regroup and articulate this to the American people?
It just wasn’t a good year for Republicans, for many reasons.
There will be better years ahead, you’ll just have to be patient.
Political fortunes come and go....
Everyone has been having their own vanity and I’m guilty myself! How sad you escaped from a communist country and now the United States is going communist. And Bush and the Republicans did lose their way. I think there are just those weaklings who couldn’t deal with the media hate spewed daily and were trying to fight the stereotype how Republicans are ‘for the rich’ and got lost with the spending. Bush has been a complete weakling in explaining a lot of things and fighting back. He has not been all bad(judges, tax cuts, taking the war to the terrorists), but he certainly betrayed a lot of conservatives with the spending, push for amnesty. I have to give Bush credit though because the economy and everything just went completely downhill when the Demonrat Congress took over in 2006. Bush had early on pushed for more sources of domestic energy, drilling in ANWR and, of course, with the handful of RINOS and the barely there ‘majority’ that shared power in the Senate would kill a lot of these things and the hit to the economy happened when gas prices took off and then hit with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and that goes back to Clintoon and a policy of bad loans favored by Demonrats and their precious ACORN and yet it was all Bush’s fault. So he’s been unjustifiably hit even though he himself proposed doing something about the bad loans. I can’t believe McCain didn’t make an issue of the Demonrat involvement in the whole mess and that is really why he lost-he wouldn’t name names and they blamed Republicans! Republicans have always been spineless when it comes to hitting back and setting things straight. Now they are dead really because the Demonrats have a permanent majority and this country will pay dearly for it.
See if the GOP gets my vote again anytime soon!
I think saying there will be better days ahead is really an optimist. Have you thought about how the Demonrats have groups like ACORN entrenched in the voting? How much vote fraud is involved and the judges that go along with and sanction it? How about the illegals they want to legalize and the criminals they will pass a law to have vote? It does not look good.
We lost because our candidate wasn’t really a Republican.
He was, and still is, the chief RINO right behind Rudy!
Don’t give in to despair. We will be back. Lets learn the lessons and move forward. Stop with the defeatist attitude. Yeah this sucks, but tomorrow is another day. We have to go to the mattresses.
In reality things are not that bad. Its just simply our media is so biased that Republicans get no traction at all on any issue. Bush made his share of mistakes but he never ever gets credit. During the 2006 elections, they ignored how good the economy was and went after us on immigration and the Iraq war. During the 2007-2008 elections, they ignored the improving conditions in Iraq and the success of the surge and went after other things.
They let Republicans take the blame for the crisis when Democrats had a larger share of the blame.
Republicans always have a tough time from our liberal press. Reagan got around it because he was the great communicator. Bush wasted it. That’s the short story.
I’m just catching up on my news here on FR-what is this about the Republicans throwing Gov. Palin under the bus?? They can all go to hell if that’s the way their headed though I don’t think it matters anymore since the GOP is officially dead anyway.
Generally I’m a pessimist, but at this point you have to tip your hat to the winner, despite all the voter manipulation etc., and look to better days.
Either that or put a shotgun in your mouth, and be done with it.
“Our values and our party have been mostly rejected here and around the world.”
We blew it because our own party rejected our values. I would venture to guess that not many in this forum have been proud of how the republicans we helped elect have represented us and our values over the past eight years. Even when it came to McCain, most of us held our noses with one hand as we tried to help him with the other. He was the least of two bad choices.
So now it’s Obama’s turn. For the sake of our country, I wish him well and hope he does good for the country. If he doesn’t he’ll be the one facing the music in a couple of years. It’s one thing to sit on the sideline and criticize, it’s another to actually have to solve truly tough problems. The euphoria will soon die out and he’ll then be in the grip of cold reality. It won’t be long before we see what he’s made of.
In the meantime don’t despair - let’s use the time on the sideline to reflect on what we did wrong and learn from it and be ready when the opportunity comes up again in a couple of years.
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The fight’s not over. The fight is really just getting good.
One thing about a defeat; you find out who your friends are, and you find out who the weak links are.
And since you already lost, you stop worrying about losing and you focus on principle, and you start taking back the ground you lost step by step. When you are winning you pick up a lot of people who want to be on the winning side, who don’t necessarily share your vision. And to hold your coalition together you start to soft-pedal and downplay your basic beliefs. When you’ve already lost, the hangers-on are gone and you’ve nothing left except your loyalists and the principles that drive us all.
Winning is better than losing. But getting back into the fight after a pounding has a certain noble beauty about it. And, hey, what else is there to do? You get up, shake yourself off, and make like it doesn’t hurt.
Many of us feel the same way. The RNC, republican leaders, and even the President, whom I had such high expectations for; strayed from conservative principles that have shown throughout history; with the right leadership are the most effective principle to live/work/and govern by. Smaller government, lower taxes, strong national defense,etc..Rather the hold true to these core beliefs many drift and start to compromise on the core principles. My opinion is this, when we start to compromise our values for the sake of getting things done, we make those values less meaningful. John McCain spent the whole campaign telling us, bragging to us, how he reached across the aisle to work with Democrats. I take it as a sellout, where are all the outstretched Democratic hands? It’s always us; and overtime its looked at as a weakness, not a strength. So,over the last several years we have “reached out” where are we now? Once again the minority.
It’s time to clean house, get involved at the local level, start backing candidates who will not waiver and are true to our core beliefs. Not easy, but certainly worth our effort. The Democrats have figured this out and they play to win. They are relentless, and for that I have to give them credit. We must all take on this effort and gain back our country.
I can’t help but give in to despair. Really, when have Republicans done anything about all this deliberate voter fraud?? It is out of control and groups like ACORN will only get more powerful with the Demonrats controlling everything and more of their radical judges and what are we facing with this new amnesty?? I just seriously can’t come to any other conclusion and there is no other way out of this besides a Civil War and do you really see that happening? And remember what we are facing from the terrorists STILL and the Soviets, Chinese, Iranians, North Korea, Venezuela...
it funny, cause last night I was disappointed but I was not bothered that much. The fact that an african american has been elected president will really change attitudes towards this country. But today i started relizing how the man (Bush) who i put in so much time rooting for in the end, kind of screwed it up (i question Iraq just a little) and how this left wing “messiah” managed to change the political map of this country possibly for decades. Virgia turned blue after 40 years! This country rejected what i believed in because the party that I have been so faithful to..betrayed us
Vanity Death Spiral
I think the terrorists-Soviets-Chinese-Iranians will do a great job pointing the shotguns and bombs our way so I think that’s pretty much taken care of. And I will never ‘tip my hat’ to a group of thugs that the Demonrats are. They have worked to destroy opposition and have lied their way into power and we will see the results of this. I just happen to believe it’s unrecoverable, especially at this time with the international threats we are facing. THEY FORGOT 9/11. If this was just domestic we could fight it out and have some chance eventually(though it would likely come to another Civil War when the rights start to be infringed), but with the seriousness facing us and the weapons available to our enemies, it is as bleak as bleak can be.
Then we kick the leadership out. Our change will come from the ground up. We conservatives have faith in this country and in God. It looks bad now, but its always dark before the dawn.
Yeah the Republicans failed, but now we must demand a voter-fraud-protection bill. We have to champion an initiative which forces reliable voter rolls that are constantly updated. I believe that we have a good nucleus of conservative in the House and Senate. If we give up, why should they fight.
I know it sucks, and you’ll be down for awhile. But when you snap out of it, remember the feeling and vow to never let it happen again.
Come on, we take the House back in two years and the White House in four. We take state legislatures and governorships in two. We have an objective, we have a sound philosophy, all we need is to go out and spread the word.
I come to this forum to read news I dont see in the mainstream media and to comment on them with other people that think alike. Whats wrong with having conversation forums after an election loss on a political board..isnt that the point of a “community forum’?
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