From Old Vials, New Hints on Origin of Life

The New York Times ^ | October 16, 2008 | KENNETH CHANG

[Soliton]

Science marches on.

[Soliton]

Miller-Urey ping

[Secret Agent Man]

Can anyone say ‘contamination’?

[Doc Savage]

Miller has been debunked so many times it’s old hat. Move on Darwinists. Nothing to see here!

[Soliton]

Miller has

"The Swiftboat Vets for Truth have been debunked so many times it’s old hat. Move on Kerry haters. Nothing to see here!" This "has already been debunked" tactic is as dishonest as it irrelevent. Miller-Urey was rejected by many scientists because they do not believe that the early atmosphere was't like the atmosphere in M-U's vials.

The significance of this new research is that the injection of steam that M-U did in some experiments would have replicated the conditions near tidal volcanoes that DID have the gases. They also found many new amino acids in the M-U vials using more sensitive methods than were available to M-U in the 50s.

[allmendream]

Contamination would bring proteins, not just single amino acids. Moreover the amino acids they detect from abiotic sources would be both dextral and sinistral, while amino acids from Earth life are all sinistral.

[Bubba_Leroy]

To duplicate conditions for the formation of complex organic molecules and eventually life, it would probably be necessary to run the experiment for a billion years or so.

[Soliton]

To duplicate conditions for the formation of complex organic molecules and eventually life, it would probably be necessary to run the experiment for a billion years or so.

Amino acids are easily created in laboratories. They have also been found in meteorites. All you need is a means of assembling these into proteins.

This takes us to the "ribosome world" hypothesis. Scientists have found recent evidence supporting this hypothesis.

[tpanther]

One simply used a different spark generator. The second injected steam onto the sparks.

In other words, they still required some kind of intelligent tweaking.

Thanks.

[Coyoteman]

Placemarker

[tpanther]

One simply used a different spark generator. The second injected steam onto the sparks.

All you need is a means of assembling these into proteins.

Yup..."all you need" is some form of intelligence behind the experiment to make it happen. We realized this a long time ago. Thanks anyway.

[Soliton]

In other words, they still required some kind of intelligent tweaking.

If you consider volcanoes intelligent, then yes.

[Soliton]

Yup..."all you need" is some form of intelligence behind the experiment to make it happen. We realized this a long time ago. Thanks anyway.

The experiment replicated an environment known to have existed once steam was added. Presumably, you believe that God created that environment. If you disagree with His work, complain to Him.

[tpanther]

If you consider volcanoes intelligent, then yes.

Volanos recently belched out building blocks of life? When? Where?

[Soliton]

Volanos recently belched out building blocks of life? When? Where?

Please read the articles before criticizing them

[tpanther]

I read it, I’m criticizing your ridiculous conclusions!

[count-your-change]

Stand back Mr, Pasteur, there's something moving in those vials and life may spontaneously generate at any moment!

Have no fear, it's just science crawling through Miller's goo.

[Soliton]

I read it, I’m criticizing your ridiculous conclusions!

I didn't write the article. They are the conclusions of the scientists that will be published in a peer reviewed journal.

[tpanther]

The experiment replicated an environment known to have existed once steam was added. Presumably, you believe that God created that environment. If you disagree with His work, complain to Him.

You continue to keep missing the point: this is about the false conclusions YOU assert, not the article, and most certainly not God's creation...

1. The experiment needed human intervention to make it work, ie intelligence behind the design of the experiment.

2. YOU presume to somehow know the environment that YOU state happened billions of years ago, which is impossible.

3. Your intent in posting this article is once again to somehow keep God out of science/darwinism. Your interest has nothing whatsoever to do with science. You failed. Again.

[LeGrande]

Put me on your ping list.