Posted on 09/26/2008 1:08:20 PM PDT by quesney
Folks, A profound schism in American society has been exposed and laid bare over the following years — since 9/11, through the events of Iraq to the monstrously socialist bailout of the present day.
John Edwards was right. There are Two Americas, and it is my fear that they fundamentally incompatible and irreconcilable.
We are headed for a conflict, decades in the making, approaching the intensity, scope and chaos of The Civil War.
I don't know what shape it will take or exactly when it will happen. I only know for certain it is coming and it will be messy. I only know for certain that I have little or nothing in common with "fellow Americans" such as Obama, Pelosi and a good chunk of the liberal "opposition", which I increasingly consider nothing more than a euphemism for people I consider aliens, at best.
The space for civilized debate is fast disappearing, when dealing with an "opposition" repeatedly ready to lie, cheat, distort, steal and compromise our national security, sovereignty and founding principles and repeatedly ready to abandon basic manners, civility, reality and logic, all of which are the fundamental basis for civilized debate. What do you call an "opposition" like that. Is it a threat that can be "deabted" with no longer?
I pray the coming conflict and confrontation is not violent, but it will be no less profound and no less significant than the first Civil War.
The very basic issue to be decided is just what is the United States of America, whether the Constitution no more than a piece of paper signifying nothing but pretense and old memories and whether there are still those prepared to fight for it.
Maybe principled leadership will arise that can prevent it. But I think things are rapidly developing beyond the capacity of any one figure -- however Reagenesque or Churchillian -- to stop what I fear is coming.
Your analysis seems right on to me, and I am just using my intuition. I do hope
that ....
“Any genuine conservatives who live in conservative neighborhoods in the urban areas should be quietly organizing themselves now, to ride out such a thing, and/or have a bolt hole in the rural areas.”
..or if this Freeper's thread isn't to your liking, go find another!
Bump!
You are not a kook; you are a pathetic paranoid. :-)
Agree!
It’s vanities such as this that make FR look like a kook-fest.
If people think there will be a civil war it’s only because they want it to be so. Get a clue.
That’s just it, there ARE people that want a socialist secularist nation, no religion, no armies, no morals and no common sense.
The kook fest is on the left. Always has been! There’s FAR more extremists on the left, to the point Lady Rothschilde says her party has been taken too far to the left with the likes of bambi, Reid and Pelosi, among others.
Godless liberal lunatics have hijacked our Constitution to the point they now DEMAND Christmas be removed from school calendars, crosses be removed from Federal Cemeteries, Under God from our pledge, and so on.
There’s good reason to believe Rome fell from within.
Then why are you wasting your time here? Nobody is forcing you to read this thread and post on it.
If DU suits you better, I'm sure they'd welcome you with open arms.
“If they pass this bailout bill I am afraid you just may be correct.”
You mean the Bush backed bail-out plan? Or is Bush a closet Democrat?
Please clarify what you expect there to be a civil war over? If it’s over the size and scope of government then I’ll side with the fiscal conservatives and I would say that Bush and his administration are on the wrong side of history.
I should correct my post. We fiscal conservatives are probably on the wrong side of history. Apparently there is no reason why or how the government will shrink in its power. I plead temporary idealism.
One of my neigbors exemplifies the problem.
Getting closer every day to the breaking point.
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“I plead temporary idealism”
I have a terminal case of this myself.
If this bill passes we will sink into the darkness, at some point a hero will arise to lead us back to the light.
Long live Bernie Goetz and Joe Horn.
It is a moral civil war - one in which the South has the moral edge so far - basically btwn those who buy the lie of the devil, than man is the victim of a malevolent moral authority, whose moral absolutes are to be rejected as they keep you (poor victim) from the paradise of special treatment, in a world of rewards with no real work, sex with no boundaries (even NABLA would eventually get their way), and harmful actions with no culpability (unless you are not of their philosophy).
Opposing them to varying degrees are those who basically see the need for the Creator’s laws, as well as some who actually follow the Law giver, whose good laws are for our benefit, and who sacrifically made a way of salvation for man who will admit and repent for misusing His good things and breaking his good laws. But due to such requirements those who remain on the side of the Serpent cannot and will not submit.
(Jude 1:8) “Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.”
(Luke 19:14) “But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.”
Either McCain will be elected with a Democrat Congress, or Obama and the Democrats will get in this year and lose big in 2010.
The other factor is that parties and movements are never as homogeneous as people think. Even when a party gets a majority in different branches of government, there are still divisions that make it hard for it to speak with one voice.
For all those who don’t think that a civil war is realistic or likely or some kind of kookfest....
I sure hope you like what you get if you close your eyes to this sort of tactic and obama gets in because of your indifference.
Gov. Blunt Statement on Obama Campaign’s Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement
governor.mo.gov
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2091900/posts
Obama Threatening Critics with Fines and Jail
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2091977/posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIenDGSAdPA
So this “bailout” would be $700B and would come back 2-fold back to the Treasury. Where was 1/2 the outrage when a $350B farm bill was sent sailing through??? And none of that is coming back to the Treasury.
Nascar dad, this is the natioaliztion of the US finance industry. This will place the whole ball of wax under control of the government. They will determine who gets money and for what.
Already congress has alloted that 20 percent of ALL profits go to ACORN.
google acorn and vote fraud.
If you are okay with all of this you are probley on the wrong site.
BTW- most here were also opposed to farm bill.
1) The Dem Party as we knew it no longer exists. It is now the Nationalist Socialist Party of America, ever since the convention. ( PUMA, Leiberman, millions of democrats outed by their so called left, the Democrat Party is no more, Verity.) Who runs it? Obama and his machine, Howard Dean, and George Soros.
2) Johnah Goldberg in his new book explains the political evolution of the liberal left in America towards an American version of "gentle" fascism.ut even gentle fascism , as you will see over the next few months, will turn out to be pretty rough. The book, a MUST READ:
" Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of America's Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning"
America needs to wake up.
Its all happening as we speak.
And the financial bail out is a part of the plan to nationalize the US economy, and put it in the hands of the Nationalist Socialist Party of America.
Our customary political, social and economic individual freedoms are at stake.
It is about time we march on DC. But who will lead? how do we organize? Where do we go?
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