Posted on 09/22/2008 4:08:23 AM PDT by sig226
It's Monday.
This is a site I found because someone gave me a Jimenez JA - 380 and I couldn't get the thing to come apart. Contrary to some popular assertions, it wouldn't take down because it's a piece of crap.
But just to prove that the internet really does have something for everybody, here is the Bryco, Jennings, Lorcin, Raven forum, now featuring Jimenez Arms.
Don’t be so distainful of those cheap little Saturday Night Specials (SNSs) - they have saved DOZENS of lives.
How often to you read about a gang banger who pulled out his Lorcin or Bryco, only to have his victim escape because the gun “fail to fire”?
Thanks. I’ll give that a try.
You’re forgetting one: DOES IT _WORK_? Apparently the general consensus is “no”.
$10 and a visit to a gunsmith will result in a complete stripdown. You reassemble under his guidance.
Were you given the firearm under the belief that you would dispose of it safely?
Excellent idea! However there are few times when it is advisable or needful to do a detailed strip of a firearm. If it's new (to you) then it might be a good idea to detail strip the trigger group. Generally speaking, for cleaning, I'd shoot some Gun Scrubber product down into the guts in short consistent bursts for several repetitions to clear out the gunk before coating with a light film of any good quality preservative/lubricant. Do the bore with a good cleaner/degreaser and a bronze bore brush and then rod it thru with a cleaner dipped patch followed by a dry patch until reflected light bounces off a mirrored shiny bore interior. After that, some specific sections of various firearms might require heavier lubrication, such as a specific DROP of oil in a certain spot. Glock has five such spots. Can you name them? I got the list from a Glock armorer. Other guns have different points and it's critical to know what these are. Info like that is usually found in the owner's manual. You agree with this, B4Ranch?
I’d rather have a baseball bat than one of these.
Well said! I agree 100% on all counts.
Firearms from the factory have a few spots where they place in a few drops of heavy lube, a grease. After you fire a few hundred rounds this grease starts to become more like a putty. I think that this is the type of gunk that should be removed at least annually. Knowing how to do it properly is why I have a gunsmith teach me.
Gunsmiths do not clean your weapon when you take it in for a repair or a scope mounting UNLESS they are being paid to do so. You shouldn’t expect them to. They won’t ever do a full breakdown unless they have to UNLESS they are being paid to do so.
When I buy a new weapon that I am not familiar with I take it to one of three men for a total breakdown. I want all the old grease and oils removed. I want to examine the individual parts of the trigger group to help me determine whether or not I should replace it with a better one. I like triggers to break between 3 to 4 pounds. Needless to say, I want them to be smooth. If the creep can be adjusted, I want to know how to do it. Worn pins and springs should be replaced.
I’ll have the bolt broken down as it is rare that an owner will ever clean the lube out of it unless he’s a precision shooter. I want to examine the bolt face and firing pin with a magnifying glass.
The owner’s manual is for general cleaning and maintenance which should only require a couple of minutes. I am meticulous the first time around because I don’t like putting my face next to an explosive device without feeling positive about the equipments condition.
Glocks. I’ve fired them and don’t care for them. Just my opinion.
Thanks
I had a Breako 59 for awhile. It was in 9mm but it was pretty clear that the slide had originally been stamped 40 S&W and then crosshatched out. It beat itself to death with Blazers...the only ammo it would “work” with. I can’t imagine how a straight blowback .40 would function for more than 2 rounds. A friend of mine had a .380 that was simply hilaroious to shoot...as the barrel warmed, it strung shots so wildly we had to shoot it at water to even know where they went.
I had a Breako 59 for awhile. It was in 9mm but it was pretty clear that the slide had originally been stamped 40 S&W and then crosshatched out. It beat itself to death with Blazers...the only ammo it would “work” with. I can’t imagine how a straight blowback .40 would function for more than 2 rounds. A friend of mine had a .380 that was simply hilarious to shoot...as the barrel warmed, it strung shots so wildly we had to shoot it at water to even know where they went.
I've owned several of the soulless combat tupperware guns. IMHO, Glock has been such a resounding success in both the civilian and law enforcement markets because the design is essentially idiot proof and appeals to individuals who're not prone to care for a firearm under any conditions. The dang gun shoots no matter what. No matter how dirty, how abused, it takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'! That appeals to many folks who may like to shoot, but not to clean. Or they may be required to shoot, dislike that "chore" and like cleaning even less! In any case, combat tupperware serves a purpose. I've owned four in a variety of calibers and always felt well armed with all of them. In a combat situation I wouldn't hesitate to bet my life on a Glock. However, I find the grip on the Glocks to be too "blocky" and ergonomically uncomfortable for me, no matter the size of the frame or the caliber. OTOH, with my H&K or my Sigs, I feel like King Arthur must have felt when he drew the Sword from the Stone. Confident and in command of the situation. Well, okay, maybe Arthur didn't feel that way right off, but he grew into the role. In any case, I feel like there's no situation I can't face with one of those aforementioned weapons in my hand. OTOH I'd probably feel that way with a Raven .25, proving yet again that it's the man and not the weapon.
However, I find the grip on the Glocks to be too "blocky" and ergonomically uncomfortable for me, no matter the size of the frame or the caliber.
The fix for that.
( :-). Love mine. Proud imbiber of Springfield's imported Croatian kool-aid.)
That sounds like something out of Start Trek: Captain! A MELONITE battle cruiser uncloaking off the starboard bow! Or maybe something starring Charelton Heston: And so, God did send forth his angelic host to SMITE the MELONITES for their sins against HIM...~cue orchestra~
I know for a fact a 22LR will kill, a friend of mine was shot in the back of the head when he was camping with "friends" while we were in junior high school. He bled to death over several hours while the punks ran in circles trying to figure out how to get out of their mess. All they got was a wrist slap after the kid expired.
Pros use the 22 on a regular basis, MOSSAD trains for the cranio-ocular (thru an eyeball) quick kill shot, but then that's MOSSAD. I guess the question becomes can you make that aspirin sized shot when it's life or death and you've got the Indians attacking while screaming like a banshee from the left while the marauding wolves are trying to eviscerate you from the right? Just for kicks, gets a string of firecrackers and instruct a buddy to light them off when he thinks you least expect it while you're target shooting sometime. Probably have to get range permission and maybe even have an RO light them off, but I think you'll find the results instructive.
The place to do this is off some lonely country road, probably. Just be safe. Better yet wear an iPod under your muffs and let your friend crank up the volume whenever he wants while you shoot for score and accuracy on a target. Yeah, that'd do the job fine. You'll find even a "normal" distractor will pull your shots way off the line. Now imagine the adrenalin dump of chemicals into your bodies system because you're right at the edge of life and death staring into eternity if you don't make the exact shot you need the first time.
That's why an increase in caliber can slightly offset the need for precision accuracy. With a 9mm, a shot to the cranial vault of the forehead will turn the lights out like you flipped a switch whereas for the 22 you'll be needing more precision for that softer tissue to insure penetration for the round moving at a slower speed with much less mass.
But the same parameters for the nine also hold for all the other calibers, too. I don't care if you use a nine, forty five, 10mm or a 44 magnum, to simply drop the bad guy requires a shot into the cranial vault. You can't take the big 44 and say because it's so much bigger I can take a lesser shot to the torso and count on a one shot stop.
MOSSAD trains for the cranio-ocular with .22 short subsonic ammo. A butterfly fart is louder than their ammo.
I bought a new Bersa Thunder .380 a couple of weeks ago. I was impressed with the quality, the comfortable feel in my hand, and the reasonable price.
After finally getting it to the range this past Saturday, I am also impressed with the performance. Even with it being a totally new gun to me, I felt like the accuracy results were acceptable, and I am sure they will improve with more range time.
I keep it loaded with alternating 95 grain FMJ’s and 52 grain Mag-Safe pre-fragged rounds.
As one of God’s children, I hope I never have to use it except at the range. But, knowing as I do that some of God’s creations are un-repentant non-believers, I believe in being ready.
Not to give something away, but using a hollowpoint 40gr .22 I would try to place my first round in the lower pelvic area (bladder region), for max pain which stops walking or running or lunging, then try to make a cranial shot if the perp is not jerking too much. Pain is a major disincentive and the only reason to carry a .22. even if carrying a .38 snubby, I would make my first shot for the bladder area ... the range from aorta to bladder is large enough to point for and is along center-line of the human torso.
I fired it repeatedly, and it ran just fine, too. The previous owner limp wristed it. In his defense, the thing is hard chromed and the grips are slippery as all get out. I don’t know what they were thinking. Teflon would have been an improvement.
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