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1 posted on 09/13/2008 10:24:53 PM PDT by djf
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Please keep in mind that what you’ve just posted qualifies as “publication,” and you may be ineligible to obtain a patent on said idea if you delay filing your patent application more than 365 days from today.


2 posted on 09/13/2008 10:28:09 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: djf

From someone who has multiple patents ... in mechanical patents, there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between paper and working prototype. Invest in the time / effort / money to build a working model. Once you can show that it will work, you will have much more capital available to you. Until then, it’s just another (good) idea.


3 posted on 09/13/2008 10:28:43 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: djf

I hope you get rich, make tons of money, live a life of total luxury and donate portions of your largess to worthy charities.


4 posted on 09/13/2008 10:32:56 PM PDT by Ronin (Is there some rule that says that when an evil man gets sick, we must pretend he was a saint?)
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To: djf

I just forwarded this to myth busters


8 posted on 09/13/2008 10:45:55 PM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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9 posted on 09/13/2008 10:50:42 PM PDT by Fichori (ironic: adj. 1 Characterized by or constituting irony. 2 Obamy getting beat up by a girl.)
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To: djf
I'm missing something. Maybe if you drew a few force vectors on there it would be easier to see. Which way does it spin? How does the piston push on the wheel? Is it in a combustion chamber, or is the combustion done in the spring loaded slot?
10 posted on 09/13/2008 10:52:54 PM PDT by chaos_5 (See my profile for cool McCain/Palin "lipstick" stickers!)
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I have converted my 91 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser SW with 4 units of HHO generators. Before I got about 225-250 miles on full gas tank!

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13 posted on 09/13/2008 10:57:29 PM PDT by danamco
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To: djf
Sorry, but this isn't making any sense to me.

Where does combustion take place? Why the spring? It will just absorb the energy, and convert it to heat. Why?

How does the fuel/air fed to the system? Why a piston at all? Why not just a chamber or bucket of sorts, for the expanding gases to react against?

Why is the piston so small? How much energy transfer do you expect to get from such a small surface area?

How is this an improvement over a standard rotary engine?

The drawing is way to basic to make any kind of assessment.

15 posted on 09/13/2008 10:59:41 PM PDT by Jotmo (I Had a Bad Experience With the CIA and Now I'm Gonna Show You My Feminine Side - Swirling Eddies)
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When you build the prototype, you’ll find out why it won’t work.


16 posted on 09/13/2008 11:00:29 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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I’m not “getting it” either.

look, if you supplied pumped water through the crankshaft and out that cavity with the piston, the rotor would turn- like a lawn sprinkler. If that’s the concept the piston prevents it from working.


25 posted on 09/13/2008 11:14:38 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: djf; Southack

I am not a lawyer, but I think you need one, because I think you just disclosed yourself out of a patent in non-U.S. markets, assuming you do indeed have something to patent. (I’m assuming you’re in the U.S.)

“In many cases, a provisional is filed the same day as a public disclosure of the invention, which disclosure could otherwise permanently jeopardize the patentability in non-US countries having strict requirements on “complete or absolute novelty.” In other cases the provisional application is filed soon after such a disclosure in order to preserve only the inventor’s U.S. patent rights.” [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_application]

“The filing date of an application is important as it sets a cutoff date after which any public disclosures will not form prior art (but the priority date must also be considered), and also because, in most jurisdictions (notably, not the USA) the right to a patent for an invention lies with the first person to file an application for protection of that invention (See: First to file and first to invent). It is therefore generally beneficial to file an application as soon as possible.” [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_application]

“Disclosure is the details of an invention which is made available to public. This may be deliberately revealed outside the patent system so as to make the invention unpatentable...” [http://www.hjventures.com/patent/patent-inventions.html]

“Under U.S. patent law, an inventor has one year from the date of first disclosure of the invention to file a U.S. patent application. The United States is the only major industrialized country in the world that allows for a public disclosure prior to the filing of a patent application. In the rest of the world, an “absolute novelty” rule is used. This rule bars patent protection for, in most cases, an invention that has been disclosed to the public any time prior to the filing of a patent application.” [http://www.essp-law.com/patent.htm]

I’d recommend talking with a patent attorney immediately.


34 posted on 09/13/2008 11:52:24 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: djf

Given the details you’ve supplied there is nothing to make the piston go up and down except the rotor which is to be made to move by the piston going up and down.
Unless there is a WHOLE lot more not shown you’ve got a perpetual motion machine.


37 posted on 09/14/2008 12:06:12 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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I remember the original post.

I'm not an engineer. Heck, I'm not even handy, but I have assisted some very smart folks (including one fellow who developed VoiP manaagement software that was eventually purchased by Cisco Systems ~ ka-ching!) in getting their products and services to market.

I think that you need some kind of prototype before you can really get folks interested in such an idea. Even something very crude would be quite impressive.

Could you imagine sitting down with potential investors and putting a rough model on the conference table and letting the rotor spin for the length of a meeting? I think that would really sell your idea. Of course, if your model fails in front of the investor you are screwed.

Presentation isn't everything, but I think it counts for a lot. Inferior concepts can actually kill better products on the open market if they have a better pitch.

I live in Frederick, MD, and because it is a technically robust area they have what is called a "technology incubator" (fitci.org). This is essentially an organization that will help people and companies develop and get their stuff to investors, over the hurdles and into the market. There is also assistance through a state group called SBDC and TEDCO. Essentially, these are state agencies that help individuals develop technology, which in turn generates state jobs and revenue.

Ideologically, I'm a Constitutional kind of guy, so all of the state agency assistance smacks of something that doesn't necessarily agree with my worldview , but in the end the companies that benefit from these agencies usually become successful and pay back into the system. The state helps to find private investors to risk for these ideas, so it seems like a win/win to me.

Don't know if that helps, but thought I'd throw it out there as it is a little different feedback than from sliderule community. Best of luck.


43 posted on 09/14/2008 12:57:12 AM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: djf

Any thoughts as to how you will deal with thermal expansion when it runs?


52 posted on 09/14/2008 2:23:52 AM PDT by Daffynition (Follow the dots: Davis, Ayers, Dohrn, Malley, Soros Â… use a RED crayon.)
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To: djf

Also, please realize that the majority (I don’t know the actual percentage, but I’ve heard it is very high), of people who try to get a patent, lose an awful lot of money.
Patent Lawyers are very expensive, and it can take a lot of work to do all the research yourself.

Back in the early 90’s, I consulted a patent lawyer. Initial
costs then would have been in the area of $10,000. I’m sure it’s much higher now.


53 posted on 09/14/2008 5:14:52 AM PDT by CharlotteVRWC
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Also, please realize that the majority (I don’t know the actual percentage, but I’ve heard it is very high), of people who try to get a patent, lose an awful lot of money.
Patent Lawyers are very expensive, and it can take a lot of work to do all the research yourself.

Back in the early 90’s, I consulted a patent lawyer. Initial
costs then would have been in the area of $10,000. I’m sure it’s much higher now.


54 posted on 09/14/2008 5:14:53 AM PDT by CharlotteVRWC
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To: djf

I think you have put the flux capacitor in backwards.


56 posted on 09/14/2008 6:25:37 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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This looks like at least one design I’ve seen on PESWiki.

http://www.peswiki.com


57 posted on 09/14/2008 8:37:38 AM PDT by Kevmo (Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles)
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I've given up on making money off the idea of maternity clothes in school colors and have started working on my design of a lawnmower for lesbians. I call it the carpet mulcher.
59 posted on 09/14/2008 11:45:26 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: ShadowAce; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Whaaat?!? "First we'll get everyone to maintain proper tire inflation, THEN we'll try your idea."

64 posted on 09/14/2008 10:59:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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