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1 posted on 08/16/2008 5:38:39 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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With Merkel, and Sarko, and Klaus, and Tusk it seems like we have pretty good relations with the Euros. Sure, the Spaniards turned tail and Blair retired. But Brown is on his way out and at the end of the day Spain doesn’t matter in any significant way. Berlusconi gets along w/ Bush. Where, then, is this mythical ‘poor relation’ w/ Europe?

And, ahem, given Europe’s record on terrorism - be it in Rwanda, or Madris, or Bosnia - why exactly do we care, when we are doing what’s right?


2 posted on 08/16/2008 5:43:55 AM PDT by sobieski (L)
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How is it that Europe (GB, France, Germany) won’t be overtaken by Muslim demographics and succumb to sharia law?


3 posted on 08/16/2008 5:44:34 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president! (it ain't over 'til it's over))
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I don't know or care what the Europeans think. The Europeans, in time, will be remembered as ungratefull fools who as appeasers allowed the Russians to spirit the WMD,s to Syria and helped Iran get the nuclear bomb.
5 posted on 08/16/2008 5:47:04 AM PDT by paguch
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The Bush administration has, more or less, apologized for the invasion of Iraq and seems to have given up on establishing law and order in the country. Perhaps this frustrated situation could all be blamed on Europe, but what good will it do?

Huh?

6 posted on 08/16/2008 5:51:14 AM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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with scorn around the world, from liberal and conservative alike.

i have traveled to at least 10 countries during his presidency and he is popular NOWHERE. and I hear this from people across all spectrums of politics, from every kind of foreigner you can imagine. you may disagree with their take, but you cannot disagree with the phenomenon that he is one of the least popular US presidents around the world in recent times. thems the cold hard facts from here, overseas folks. it isnt just all the liberal media.

i did not hear this take on Reagan overseas like this, but then again, Bush is no Reagan and Reagan considerably more conservative of course, as well as a polished and forceful leader with great depth.

7 posted on 08/16/2008 5:52:17 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (2008 for AmericanInTokyo. Not Socialist. Not RINO. Nope! ...."Indie-Conservative" ALL THE WAY!!!)
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Bush did more to step up against the threat of modern day Islam than the leftist euro trash ever would

Bush is criticized for not doing more to work with leftist euro trash “she” male led governments

The US pulled an unfair share of weight on Iraq.

Bush made the euro fags step up to the plate on Iran. They failed but then again what do you expect from soft, flabby socialistic societies?

Enjoy muslim rule starting in 20 years. Sweeden might make it ten more before it implodes.

8 posted on 08/16/2008 5:53:25 AM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
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Who cares? Our ancestors left Europe and fought a war to be free of it. Europe is nothing more than a vacation theme park for us (until the muzzies take over).


9 posted on 08/16/2008 5:53:40 AM PDT by mondonico (Peace through Superior Firepower)
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Maybe one day you Europeans will realize that most Americans don’t give a rat’s ass what you guys think of us or George Bush.


10 posted on 08/16/2008 5:54:08 AM PDT by Ditter
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I think you make some good points.


13 posted on 08/16/2008 5:55:32 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Octopuses have two legs and six arms.)
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U.S. Classified information will remain as such for a long, long time. Therefore, President Bush’s legacy will also remain open to interpretation for such a long time that the truth may never be known.


18 posted on 08/16/2008 6:04:35 AM PDT by equaviator ("There's a (datum) plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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- The Bush administration has failed to maintain good relations with Europe.

Exactly how does one do that? With money? How about you guys pay back the debt from WWII and we'll talk. How about reimbursing the cost of protecting Europe from the Russians for all those years?

Really. What can the U.S. do to make you guys like us?

19 posted on 08/16/2008 6:04:52 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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Europe has ceased to matter to me.

One only needs to look at the situation in Georgia to see how impotent the entire continent is. Nothing will happen in response to Russia’s invasion unless the U.S. intervenes.

How about Rwanda? Europe’s doing a great job there too.

The same blustering idiots who accuse us of “cowboy diplomacy” and bemoan “American imperialism” won’t lift a finger to solve the problems in their back yard, much less the rest of the world. When the U.S. fails to act, its our fault. When the U.S. acts and fails, its our fault. When the U.S. acts and succeeds, its still our fault. Faced with this “damned if you do and damned if you don’t” attitude, why should we give any consideration to Europe?

Far as I’m concerned, if Europe doesn’t like George Bush, then he must be doing something right.


21 posted on 08/16/2008 6:06:20 AM PDT by chrisser (The Two Americas: Those that want to be coddled, Those that want to be left the hell alone.)
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“However; governments come and go, the US and other truly strong nations will, eternally, prevail”

Do not count the European countries nor governments within this asumption, they have just this week demostrated their weakness and lack of resolve in helping a Democratic ally,
the European history will be forgotten any accomplishments by it’s people will not be recoignized by their Islamic rulers.


22 posted on 08/16/2008 6:07:19 AM PDT by pennboricua
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With all due respect, shove it.


24 posted on 08/16/2008 6:09:25 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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History will supply the kindness Bush did not enjoy while in office.

He'll go down as one of the greats for defending the country against an unprecedented attack and for an iron will in single handedly destroying the rise of terrorism against the West.

25 posted on 08/16/2008 6:09:47 AM PDT by Vision (The light of the body is the eye, if your eye is true all your body will be full of light. Matt 6:22)
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[closest allies by today recognizes Reagan as a great leader of the free world, GWB never will be viewed in that way in my part of the world.]

Not by me for sure, though I once had great hopes for him. He sat down when he should have stood up on so many important issues to conservatives of the conservative platform and tried to be a big tent party guy.
I will remember him as a President who could of and should of but did’nt.


27 posted on 08/16/2008 6:11:32 AM PDT by kindred ( Third party conservative,the lesser of two evils is an unacceptable evil.)
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“The Bush administration has failed to maintain good relations with Europe. As a European, I’m well aware there are plenty of ignorant French, German and Italian crybabies among our “intellectuals”. However, I’d say that while most of Western Civilization and our closest allies by today recognizes Reagan as a great leader of the free world, GWB never will be viewed in that way in my part of the world.”

That funny, really funny. Reagan was despised by much of Europe during his time in office. Remember the Pershing II missles he placed in Europe and the hue and cry about that? Remember he was to be the cause of a nuclear holocaust? With a bit of research one can put together a list of fools who ended up with egg on their face when they made the mistake of passing judgement too soon. One could not close the book on Reagan’s record until years after he left office.

The same will apply to Bush. In 15 years if Iraq is not an outpost of democracy in the Middle East then Bush failed. If one waits to pass judgement, then one may avoid looking like a fool for the second time.


28 posted on 08/16/2008 6:12:08 AM PDT by Round 9
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"...The Bush administration has, more or less, apologized for the invasion of Iraq and seems to have given up on establishing law and order in the country. Perhaps this frustrated situation could all be blamed on Europe, but what good will it do?..."

Where do you get your information? There has been no "apology" and things have not been better over there.

"...most Westerners agree it's a better idea to fight these wars in a truly UNITED manner than to continue throwing mud at each other..."

Someone had to be the "adult" in this and be responsible, and someone had to be the "child". The responsible thing that adults do is to SAY something, mean it, and back it up with meaningful action, not stupid, empty words. The "child's" way is to make a lot of prounouncement, threats, rules, and then sit back and do nothing when they are not followed. Who was the "child" and who was the "adult" with respect to Iraq? (Hint: it wasn't the UN and the Europeans) This seems to be something the Europeans seem incapable of understanding.

"...However, I'd say that while most of Western Civilization and our closest allies by today recognizes Reagan as a great leader of the free world, GWB never will be viewed in that way in my part of the world..."

I lived through the Reagan years. He was not only NOT admired, he was widely reviled and ridiculed in Europe. I lived through it, so I remember. Please don't try any revisionist history here. How many years did it take before Europeans realized he was right? After another decade or so of unimpeded immigration from muslim countries with the accompanying civil unrest, car fires, murders, accommodations and muslim demands to gutless European politicians to allow them to set up zones governed by Sharia Law, we'll see how "Dubya" (as he is insultingly called by liberals) is viewed in those parts of Europe not fighting to retain a semblance their culture as they are squeezed out by muslims and their demands for autonomy. Not to mention the inevitable paying of the piper that is going to come due in Europe due to the insupportable and unsustainable nanny state cradle-to-grave benefits given to a rapidly growing population expecting them.

"...among nations who are truly devoted to the irrepressible idea of human freedom..."

I suppose this doesn't include the idea of freedom in countries run by "little brown brothers" who were being murdered in numbers large enough that you could lay the bodies side by side on their backs in a row next to a highway and drive for two hours at top speed before you reached the end of the row. No, those people don't deserve to be included in the "irrepressible idea of human freedom."

30 posted on 08/16/2008 6:14:38 AM PDT by rlmorel (If they can call George "Dubya", we can call Barack "Hussein")
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With all due respect, I'm pretty sure Dubya & Co will continue being the laughing stock of international affairs over here in Europe for a long time...

Goofy Europeans will laugh at Bush until McCain & Co. are up to bat and Europe howls with distain at their take on business as usual.

If Obama is elected president, Europe is doomed as a viable political entity within 20 years..

You will be sold to the highest bidder for a handful of magic beans by the great one, the messiah, the trojan muslim Obama.

Targeted 'diversity' quotas will be required for all international trade with the US and elimination of immigration laws will be the soup de jour. Obama doesn't care a wit about the greenhouse - only that all the flowers polinate together, equally....

32 posted on 08/16/2008 6:15:36 AM PDT by x_plus_one
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Aren’t you supposed to tag this as a VANITY post? This is strictly a personal opinion.


34 posted on 08/16/2008 6:18:28 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Dog breath? I don't think so.)
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