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The Economist ^ | August 7, 2008

Posted on 08/13/2008 12:35:25 AM PDT by Schnucki

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To: Schnucki

I’m stuck with MS because that’s what we use at work (too much hassle porting files back & forth). A family member bought a new PC that had Vista - it took me over three hours to get it up and running (it kept asking me all these durn fool “Do you want to....” questions.) It’s so bloated, I’m surprised it isn’t called the Hindenburg.


41 posted on 08/13/2008 6:34:41 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Thank God for every morning.)
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To: Woodman
"As for the drivers issues, again, that is a hardware manufacturer issue..."

I know what you're saying, but "drivers" are just software.

The root of the problem with "drivers" is that Vista isn't fully backwards compatible with older software. Vista won't run older drivers. Compounding the problem, MicroSoft has no automatic way to make hardware work when the older driver won't run under Vista...the process isn't seemless to the user.

Contrast Vista with XP; consider that XP will see a new printer that just got added to a remote, networked PC. XP will automatically install/use the correct driver on your own computer...all in the background.

You might *never* physically see the new remote printer, but XP will give it to you as an option to select.

That new printer isn't on your own PC, it's installed at some remote location on a different computer. Doesn't matter. XP sees the new addition over the network and gives it to you.

And it does this in the background. You never had to make a mouseclick or press a key. XP just works. You see the new networked printer. Automatically.

Vista won't even see the old networked PC (e.g. if it is running NT 4), much less have a clue about the new printer added to it...and Vista certainly won't set up that new printer for every other networked Vista box automatically!

Honestly, Vista acts as though it was written and released prior to XP. Vista acts like very old software. Vista should be compared to NT 4, not XP.

42 posted on 08/13/2008 6:35:51 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ruination

I just bought a Gateway computer with Vista installed. If I am idle for 30 minutes or so it disconnects from the internet. Is this normal? Can I make it stop? Anyone?


43 posted on 08/13/2008 6:38:52 AM PDT by csmusaret (McCain and Obama represent the evil of two lessers.)
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To: Schnucki

Did someone mention Crispin?

This story shall the good man teach his son;
And crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember’d;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint crispin s day.


44 posted on 08/13/2008 6:38:58 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: 1234; 50mm; 6SJ7; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; aristotleman; af_vet_rr; Aggie Mama; ...
Microsoft fights back against Apple—PING!


MacPing!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

45 posted on 08/13/2008 7:14:24 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: DB
Other than serious (and I do mean serious) compatibility problems there have been few other issues.

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

46 posted on 08/13/2008 7:33:48 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: montag813
As bad as Vista is, moving to a Mac for me is unacceptable. I have far too many applications which simply aren't available on Mac. Dozens of them. And I used to use a Mac for almost 20 years, and am far more productive on PC. So I am stuck with MS.

35 posted on August 13, 2008 7:10:08 AM MDT by montag813

Windows, any windows will run on a Mac :

Boot camp or under Parallels or VMware.

If you used a Mac for 20 years, you never used OS X.

OS X is built on top of BSD Unix,; it is bullet proof.

OS X has a much more user friendly GUI than OS 9

Windows 2000, XP and Vista are newer brands
of lipstick on the old and unsafe NT


47 posted on 08/13/2008 7:36:17 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182; DB

ACK! GMTA


48 posted on 08/13/2008 7:39:54 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Wonder Warthog

I don’t consider Consumers Reports to be credible, I’m an EE. When I was in college they did a report on small portable TVs and came up with 3 different ratings for 3 essentially identical TVs and didn’t even know they were identical. Statistical sample of one.

Similar response 20 years later from a friend who worked for RCA Sarnoff Labs and Samsung.

F them when it comes to cars too, they love their Japanese stuff.


49 posted on 08/13/2008 7:40:28 AM PDT by Eagles2003
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To: AppyPappy
I’m building a machine for my kids and I plan to slap Vista Ultimate on it. They deserve it.

Wow, they must have really pi**ed you off!

50 posted on 08/13/2008 7:51:21 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (ANWR would look great in pumps.)
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To: AppyPappy
I’m building a machine for my kids and I plan to slap Vista Ultimate on it. They deserve it.

Remember, it's your kids who will be picking your nursing home...

51 posted on 08/13/2008 7:53:40 AM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Woodman
Tell me, what exactly sucks about VISTA on your laptop?

Everything about the way the folders are designed, everything about the way the new search is designed and they way it can't find §¶¦±, the Start Menu, The task manager, and the general slowness just to name a few

One thing you Microsoft vendors can never answer,

I'm told Vista needs so much more memory than XP to run right (which I have and it still runs slow but beyond that),

Please tell me, what exactly is Vista doing with all that extra memory that XP doesn't use, that as a user I benefit from?

In other words, how does all these extra needed resources Vista needs & uses make my computing using experience more productive and/or more enjoyable compared with XP's fewer resources?

52 posted on 08/13/2008 7:57:10 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: qam1
"Please tell me, what exactly is Vista doing with all that extra memory that XP doesn't use, that as a user I benefit from?"

That's easy---it's constantly checking your software and any files you might run to be ABSOLUTELY SURE that they are all properly copyrighted. Of course, this is for the benefit of their corporate "partners" (in crime), and not you. Doing that takes a lot of CPU cycles, y'know.

53 posted on 08/13/2008 8:03:18 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: js1138

Now I know. Only cost $550 plus tax. $100 off, and $185 in rebates made it affordable.

I found the tech support forums after I bought it, these are issues I wouldn’t even consider. I never expected lack of drivers to be an issue, especially SATA support. Luckily I started with HP tech support and got a straight answer, not the one I wanted, but straight.

My last laptop was an old Compaq and I think it ran 95. My sister just got a new Dell this spring and the battery only lasted 10-15 minutes.

I’ve got a Dell Dimension 3000 old desktop and went thru he77 adding a second HD. Dell says you can’t but it’s probably because the airflow is lousy and the case design is squirelly.

I had to make my own bracket, Dell doesn’t sell them anymore. And tap the hole in the case where the bracket attaches. Had some sector failures after about 3 years, only HD I’ve ever had fail. Then I had to remove the HD and install it in the one I built to properly diagnose it. I was having boot problems with the HD in the Dell supplied XP OS.

One thing I did like the Dell failed to boot once and I couldn’t even get the screen to come up. Problem was low voltage from my UPS and the Dell self help troubleshooting guide on the website solved the problem quickly. Didn’t even consider the UPS.

I’ve heard 3rd hand that AOL was paying Dell $40/computer to include their crap on Dell’s. Haven’t talked to the fellow myself in years but he just quit working at AOL after years of he77.

That might be why it took almost a year for prices to come down to the deal I got on that one.


54 posted on 08/13/2008 8:20:47 AM PDT by Eagles2003
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To: Schnucki
They were then treated to ten-minute demos by a trained expert

That is undeniably the funniest thing I have read in a defense of Microsoft. Ever.

55 posted on 08/13/2008 8:58:41 AM PDT by IncPen (We are but a moment's sunlight, fading in the grass ...)
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To: IncPen

What’s even funnier is that Microsoft compared a “finished” OS to a beta release! MS is too much.


56 posted on 08/13/2008 9:21:12 AM PDT by Wright Wing
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57 posted on 08/13/2008 9:24:25 AM PDT by vox_freedom
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To: csmusaret
I just bought a Gateway computer with Vista installed. If I am idle for 30 minutes or so it disconnects from the internet. Is this normal?

I don't know if this was happening with your previous computer, or if there was a previous computer. This could be an issue with your ISP instead of your computer. Depending on how you are connected, some routers may be configured by default to disconnect if idle for a certain number of minutes. I know this is true with DSL. Usually, there is an option on the router config to maintain the connection, even when idle.

58 posted on 08/13/2008 9:25:20 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: XeniaSt
If you used a Mac for 20 years, you never used OS X. OS X is built on top of BSD Unix,; it is bullet proof. OS X has a much more user friendly GUI than OS 9 Windows 2000, XP and Vista are newer brands of lipstick on the old and unsafe NT

I have indeed used OSX. I like the MAc, but there are many many apps which are not available, and bootcamp is not a complete solution. My XP is also bullet proof, btw. 8 PCs running XP, and not a single BSD or crash in 7 years.

59 posted on 08/13/2008 9:26:36 AM PDT by montag813
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To: 6SJ7

I never had this problem with the old computer. My ISP is time Warner Cable’s Roadrunner. I assumed this was a problem/feature with Vista. I was using XP before.


60 posted on 08/13/2008 9:44:13 AM PDT by csmusaret (McCain and Obama represent the evil of two lessers.)
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