FR Gun Club-Firearm Safety and Operations Primer-always good to review!

[B4Ranch]

I was talking with a neighbor after supper and he said the easiest way he knows is to dump your magazine before the last shot and slap in a fresh mag. You may waste a round or two that way but it sounds good to me.

He’s tried other methods and wasn’t able to get the slide back far enough to reload a round. He’s changed magazines, then held onto the slide with his free hand and was able slide it back. He didn’t like that method because he felt it was too dangerous.

[Gilbo_3]

dump your magazine before the last shot and slap in a fresh mag.

If its got a slide lock, why waste the rounds and possibly cause a feed failure from a weakly inserted mag ?

OTOH, if not a locking slide, and IF its a 'must do one handed', rake the rear sight on a belt or pocket ??? as safely pointed as possible of course

If a bg is comin anyways, Id rather risk shooting myself than lettin him do it fer free...

my .02

[absolootezer0]

tats why a lot of guns have the serrations on the front end of the slide. hold it by the front site, your thumb should be in place to flip up the slide lock when the slide is fully retracted.
make sure tho, that your hand never covers the muzzle.

[Dead Corpse]

I was assuming this was a "reload" drill. IE; you've emptied the first mag and are changing to the next one. Most semi's will lock the slide back after the last round.

Otherwise, yeah, yer' kinda screwed without both mitts to get on it.

I can think of one way by bracing the grip between your knees, but I wasnt to try it on my Witness before I espouse it's efficacy. My 10mm has a 22# Wolff spring in it. If it works on that, it'll work on almost anything.

[kAcknor]

Thank you Shooter. The Jeff Cooper Rules are those I learned with. They are the rules my kids learned and they are those that my grandkids can rattle off at will by the age of 8 (If not, they don't shoot!).

There are no alternative rule sets (NRA's current watered down version included) that cover the issue as well. By putting the issue of loading second or ever third(!) the urgency of the issue is removed and the fact that a firearm is ready to fire becomes secondary to the place the bullet will go.

Wrong.

The first rule learned and most often repeated is the rule that becomes forever associated in the child's (or anyones) mind with touching a gun. "Can I see that?" "All guns are always loaded!" "Want to take a look?" "All guns are always loaded!" picking one up from the cabinet: "All guns are always loaded!". The rest of the rules then follow naturally, normally, and automatically because you just don't point a loaded gun at anyone, you don't finger a loaded trigger and you are always aware of a loaded guns direction.

YMMV, and this is my opinion, but it's the way it has and will be will be taught in my home or under my influence.

P.S. No quibble with the Eddie Eagle set. The grandkids have to repeat them (with help of course) as soon as they can mouth the words before they can enter the 'room' with PahPaw, or get to touch any of the interesting things found there... ;)

[B4Ranch]

>Most semi’s will lock the slide back after the last round. <

I wasn’t aware of that feature. Somewhere I have a .22 High Standard H-D Military Model. I don’t recall it doing that. I’ll have to dig it out and see whether it does or not.

[Dead Corpse]

Put an empty mag in it and rack the slide back. It should catch on the follower.

AR's do this as well. I think even an M1 will do this after it ejects the en bloc clip.

[B4Ranch]

Here I was smiling, thinking I had a ‘reason’ to give to the Mrs about why I had to go out to the range this morning and you just wiped it out.

[Uri’el-2012]

Shooter 2.5

Thank you Shooter. The Jeff Cooper Rules are those I learned with. They are the rules my kids learned and they are those that my grandkids can rattle off at will by the age of 8 (If not, they don't shoot!).

There are no alternative rule sets (NRA's current watered down version included) that cover the issue as well. By putting the issue of loading second or ever third(!) the urgency of the issue is removed and the fact that a firearm is ready to fire becomes secondary to the place the bullet will go.

Wrong.

The first rule learned and most often repeated is the rule that becomes forever associated in the child's (or anyones) mind with touching a gun. "Can I see that?" "All guns are always loaded!" "Want to take a look?" "All guns are always loaded!" picking one up from the cabinet: "All guns are always loaded!". The rest of the rules then follow naturally, normally, and automatically because you just don't point a loaded gun at anyone, you don't finger a loaded trigger and you are always aware of a loaded guns direction.

YMMV, and this is my opinion, but it's the way it has and will be will be taught in my home or under my influence.

P.S. No quibble with the Eddie Eagle set. The grandkids have to repeat them (with help of course) as soon as they can mouth the words before they can enter the 'room' with PahPaw, or get to touch any of the interesting things found there... ;)

45 posted on August 7, 2008 7:57:44 AM MDT by kAcknor

Jeff Cooper rules were the best we had when they were first developed.

They were developed for dogfaces and grunts.

They worked well enough.

The NRA adopted and the Training Department taught the Cooper Rules.

Over time the Cooper Rules were shown to be ineffective as "ADs" did not decline.

The NRA Training Department researched a better way to teach gun safety.

The result of this extensive study over a number of years led the NRA Training
Department to reject the Cooper Rules that they had embraced.
This despite Jeff Cooper being on the NRA Executive Committee.

One can only imagine the the arguments over many years
until everyone on the executive committee were convinced
that the new NRA Safety Rules were superior to the
current Cooper Rules.

Anyone who knew Col. Cooper's massive Ego and Pride,
knows how heated these arguments were.

The result was that the NRA adopted the
recommendation of the NRA Training Department.

and issued the following NRA Safety Rules.

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger of the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

When you plan to shoot there are more rules to follow.

OBTW; I learned the Cooper Rules fifty-nine years ago
as a boy with my first BB gun.

I knew the rules and violated them.

I'm sure you did too.

My Daisy Red Ryder was always loaded.

[Rick.Donaldson]

How do you pull the slide back to lock it with just one hand?

Depending on the weapon, strong hands and a hell of a lot of practice. I can't do it MOST of the time on my weapon of choice either :( and I've got a STRONG grip and good sized hands. But, like I said... "perfect practice makes perfect" hehe. I think he was talking in the middle of a combat situation with majorly induced stresses. Most people probably won't be able to do it THEN, thus practicing before hand makes it come as second nature.

[B4Ranch]

>Most people probably won’t be able to do it<

That’s kind of what I was beginning to think. I train (dry fire) to use my off hand about once a week. I’m pretty decent now compared to a few years ago.

[Shooter 2.5]

You’re welcome.

I may enjoy the benefits of being an NRA member but Cooper’s rules work best for me. Let me try to explain that a little better. I don’t know what rules are best after all of the arguments and discussions. Cooper’s rules work in my situation and during my experiences.