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To: Shooter 2.5; XeniaSt
Thank you Shooter. The Jeff Cooper Rules are those I learned with. They are the rules my kids learned and they are those that my grandkids can rattle off at will by the age of 8 (If not, they don't shoot!).

There are no alternative rule sets (NRA's current watered down version included) that cover the issue as well. By putting the issue of loading second or ever third(!) the urgency of the issue is removed and the fact that a firearm is ready to fire becomes secondary to the place the bullet will go.

Wrong.

The first rule learned and most often repeated is the rule that becomes forever associated in the child's (or anyones) mind with touching a gun. "Can I see that?" "All guns are always loaded!" "Want to take a look?" "All guns are always loaded!" picking one up from the cabinet: "All guns are always loaded!". The rest of the rules then follow naturally, normally, and automatically because you just don't point a loaded gun at anyone, you don't finger a loaded trigger and you are always aware of a loaded guns direction.

YMMV, and this is my opinion, but it's the way it has and will be will be taught in my home or under my influence.

P.S. No quibble with the Eddie Eagle set. The grandkids have to repeat them (with help of course) as soon as they can mouth the words before they can enter the 'room' with PahPaw, or get to touch any of the interesting things found there... ;)

45 posted on 08/07/2008 6:57:44 AM PDT by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No ma'am, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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To: kAcknor; Shooter 2.5
Shooter 2.5

Thank you Shooter. The Jeff Cooper Rules are those I learned with. They are the rules my kids learned and they are those that my grandkids can rattle off at will by the age of 8 (If not, they don't shoot!).

There are no alternative rule sets (NRA's current watered down version included) that cover the issue as well. By putting the issue of loading second or ever third(!) the urgency of the issue is removed and the fact that a firearm is ready to fire becomes secondary to the place the bullet will go.

Wrong.

The first rule learned and most often repeated is the rule that becomes forever associated in the child's (or anyones) mind with touching a gun. "Can I see that?" "All guns are always loaded!" "Want to take a look?" "All guns are always loaded!" picking one up from the cabinet: "All guns are always loaded!". The rest of the rules then follow naturally, normally, and automatically because you just don't point a loaded gun at anyone, you don't finger a loaded trigger and you are always aware of a loaded guns direction.

YMMV, and this is my opinion, but it's the way it has and will be will be taught in my home or under my influence.

P.S. No quibble with the Eddie Eagle set. The grandkids have to repeat them (with help of course) as soon as they can mouth the words before they can enter the 'room' with PahPaw, or get to touch any of the interesting things found there... ;)

45 posted on August 7, 2008 7:57:44 AM MDT by kAcknor

Jeff Cooper rules were the best we had when they were first developed.

They were developed for dogfaces and grunts.

They worked well enough.

The NRA adopted and the Training Department taught the Cooper Rules.

Over time the Cooper Rules were shown to be ineffective as "ADs" did not decline.

The NRA Training Department researched a better way to teach gun safety.

The result of this extensive study over a number of years led the NRA Training
Department to reject the Cooper Rules that they had embraced.
This despite Jeff Cooper being on the NRA Executive Committee.

One can only imagine the the arguments over many years
until everyone on the executive committee were convinced
that the new NRA Safety Rules were superior to the
current Cooper Rules.

Anyone who knew Col. Cooper's massive Ego and Pride,
knows how heated these arguments were.

The result was that the NRA adopted the
recommendation of the NRA Training Department.

and issued the following NRA Safety Rules.

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger of the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

When you plan to shoot there are more rules to follow.

OBTW; I learned the Cooper Rules fifty-nine years ago
as a boy with my first BB gun.

I knew the rules and violated them.

I'm sure you did too.

My Daisy Red Ryder was always loaded.


49 posted on 08/07/2008 9:17:23 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: kAcknor

You’re welcome.

I may enjoy the benefits of being an NRA member but Cooper’s rules work best for me. Let me try to explain that a little better. I don’t know what rules are best after all of the arguments and discussions. Cooper’s rules work in my situation and during my experiences.


52 posted on 08/09/2008 2:34:20 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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