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Columbus debunker sets sights on Leonardo da Vinci
Reuters ^
| Jul 28, 2008
| Tim Castle
Posted on 07/28/2008 6:04:40 PM PDT by decimon
LONDON (Reuters) - Leonardo da Vinci's drawings of machines are uncannily similar to Chinese originals and were undoubtedly derived from them, a British amateur historian says in a newly-published book.
Gavin Menzies sparked headlines across the globe in 2002 with the claim that Chinese sailors reached America 70 years before Christopher Columbus.
Now he says a Chinese fleet brought encyclopedias of technology undiscovered by the West to Italy in 1434, laying the foundation for the engineering marvels such as flying machines later drawn by Italian polymath Leonardo.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: 1421; davinci; davincicode; florence; gavinmenzies; godsgravesglyphs; italy; leonardo; leonardodavinci; marcopolo; renaissance
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To: Kevmo
This propaganda will work it's way into the Chinese text books. Chinese children will be taught that there is nothing in the West to emulate, that all so-called Western achievemnents were stolen from the Chinese.
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posted on
07/28/2008 7:51:40 PM PDT
by
JC85
To: All
Let's see...what we have here is a political ideology that evokes a mythical golden age and exalts a rabid nationalism.
If only we had a word for this.
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posted on
07/28/2008 7:51:41 PM PDT
by
JC85
To: decimon
I got about two hundred pages into this book...
I'm pretty certain Menzies is a crackpot.
To: 12Gauge687
“The two words in Chinese, jung guo, actually mean Middle Kingdom”
Personally, I think the phrase is better translated, “The Kingdom at the Center of the Universe.” That captures the spirit and intent much better, I think.
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posted on
07/28/2008 8:10:51 PM PDT
by
dsc
To: 12Gauge687
Certainly in the “modern” view, there were countries on the map, and China never traded with Egypt, they were too primitive “back then” to actually talk and trade and exchange ideas...which is bunk of course.
Even the Romans had trade relations with India for example, as did the Caliphates with the Far East...
As I recall, the large trading centers in Western China ended up succumbing to desert encroachment.
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posted on
07/28/2008 8:12:30 PM PDT
by
padre35
(Conservative in Exile/ Romans 10.10/Eze 11.2)
To: decimon
Chinese scientists also invented electricity and light bulbs, but the dastardly lamp oil industrial complex stole the patents and buried them to keep their monopoly.
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posted on
07/28/2008 8:54:14 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
To: All
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posted on
07/28/2008 8:55:01 PM PDT
by
JC85
To: All
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posted on
07/28/2008 8:55:04 PM PDT
by
JC85
To: decimon
a chinese fleet going to ITaly would certainly have to take thte long way around. there was no direct sea route to china back then - they’d have to go around the horn, at the very least. than find the relatively narrow gap at gibraltar and enter the mediterranean and finally come up against italy - whilst missing every other landfall.
sure.
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posted on
07/29/2008 7:16:20 AM PDT
by
camle
(keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
To: camle
a chinese fleet going to ITaly would certainly have to take thte long way around. there was no direct sea route to china back then - theyd have to go around the horn, at the very least. than find the relatively narrow gap at gibraltar and enter the mediterranean and finally come up against italy - whilst missing every other landfall.They'd have had to make stops along the way to find provisions. As you indicate, why Italy and why Venice? Spain and/or north Africa should have warranted visits.
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posted on
07/29/2008 7:28:50 AM PDT
by
decimon
To: decimon
funny how nobody else saw them.
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posted on
07/29/2008 8:04:01 AM PDT
by
camle
(keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
To: grey_whiskers
Anti-Chinese-suckup-revisionism Sarcasm Torpedo..."Anti-Chinese-suckup-revisionism Sarcasm Torpedo"? You are quite imaginative.
To: FlingWingFlyer
I’ll bet he has a Chinese Honey he wants to impress.
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posted on
07/29/2008 6:33:21 PM PDT
by
happygrl
To: A Balrog of Morgoth
You nailed it.
I've read that 90% of the so-called "genocide" in the Western Hemisphere was actually disease.
The reduction of the natives also included a large amount of interbreeding. Apparently there is little of the original Y chromosome in North America natives, and the Rio Grande south are largely Mestizo populations, with pockets of Europeans and Indians.
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posted on
07/29/2008 6:45:11 PM PDT
by
happygrl
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posted on
07/11/2011 7:07:38 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
This topic was posted , thanks decimon.
More Chinese junk, just not the ship kind. No one asked, but I'm really glad Menzies is dead.
And don't even start with the "Marco Polo never went to China" horse****, 'kay?
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posted on
10/23/2021 9:45:18 AM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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