Posted on 07/28/2008 12:14:46 PM PDT by GatorGirl
Those fertile Duggars are expecting Baby #18! Wow!
As I understand it, they aren't getting any type of government hand out.
Just how much parental care and guidence is each one getting is another.
Parental guidance and care don't have to be a one on one, set aside special time thing every single day. There are a hundred teachable moments in a day, and there are many opportunities for family activities that can teach and guide. Most likely, they spend more time with the littler ones than the older kids. That's no different than what happens in families with only two kids.
And what benefit is there to society from having 18 children come from a single litter from two parents rather than 18 children coming from 18 pairs of parents?
Much more benefit to having 18 kids born to a single set of parents who want them than to have 18 kids aborted by 18 different 'couples' who aren't married and have no self-control (or self-respect). Much more benefit to having a family that treasures human life than to the general view that unborn children are just a 'bunch of cells'.
WOW!!!!!!! I read your tagline and find it in complete opposition to your whole post. You have completely reiterated the liberal, big government points of view against the nuclear family.
Can’t have too many kids because you can’t provide them enough attention. Can’t have too many kids because it is destructive to the environment. A whole list of similar reasons to limit reproduction.
And given current trends where children are doted on by parents and turning out to be absolute failures, I would prefer to live next door to and encourage this family.
Not everyone needs to go to college and not every college education has to cost that much per year.I still question the quality of their childhood when looking at the amount of parental time any one child will have. Look at single parent families, and those probably have more time with the kids than these will. And single parent kids generally are not as happy or as successfull as two parent kids.
This analysis proceeds on two assumptions:
(1) Parental love is a quantifiable, zero-sum resource which can only be parceled out in discreet amounts.
(2) Parenting quality is a function of individualized allotment of time, therefore a single parent with two children has a greater allotment per child than a two parent household with five children.
In reality the purpose of parenting is to raise children of a good moral character who will be honest, hardworking and compassionate individuals.
An enormous amount of parenting is simply through example. Your kids learn from watching you how to act and what to value.
Both parents being loyal to each in a loving marriage for life is the kind of example that is impossible for single parents to instill. This is qualitative, not a quantitative difference.
Moreover, when I play catch with my three youngest for an hour or so after I get home from work, all three are having a great time with me and with each other. Should I take each one aside separately and play catch with just that one for twenty minutes apiece?
Why would doing things in a group with your siblings detaract from family time?
Um, so what? The kids can work to save for college, get scholarships, work their way through school.
I actually believe it is more beneficial for a child to earn at least part of their own way through college instead of having it handed to them on a silver platter.
Why? A couple of questions come to mind. WHo is paying for these kids is one. Just how much parental care and guidence is each one getting is another. And what benefit is there to society from having 18 children come from a single litter from two parents rather than 18 children coming from 18 pairs of parents
You need to take some time and watch the specials on the Discovery Channel (I believe). All your questions would be answered and you would be happy for them also.
Okay, here's some practical reality on your feminist philosophy. The next generation doesn't just pop out of the ground fully formed. This generation has to give birth to them and raise them. Unless you have some kind of scientific advancement, the mother has to give birth. The mother has to recover from birth, and the mother has to nurse the baby. Furthermore, the mother is far more likely to choose to stay home with the children to raise them in their younger years than the father. A family with two married parents with the father as breadwinner and mother as caretaker/homemaker has been shown in study after study to produce the best children. In fact, the vast majority of children who make it to college come from homes with both parents married.
What we have now is a generation of adults who sacrificed what is best for their kids for their own comfort and happiness. Don't have kids until later (if you have any at all), put your career first, put them on formula because it takes too much time to nurse them, and keep your kids in daycare all day, and maybe forget one in the car to die while you are in the office furthering your career like we saw in the news so much this past year. If we are going back to "a fundamentalist bible thumping alternative universe", then maybe we will get a better generation in the future.
THEY are paying for them without one dime out of YOUR pocket, so why would you care how many children they have, or their reasons?
They are excellent parents raising responsible, respectful citizens to be self-supporting, loving, godly individuals as they grow up.
God bless them. More families just like this are needed.
Not that I believe that you need my approval, but I would be delighted if you did.
Of course, I've never heard of a mixed marriage that produced that many children, probably because of the nature of mixed marriages.
I work with a Muslim who has five kids, can I tell him that Wideawake wants him to have 15 more children?
Again, I am not scared of the world having more people in it. If you want to tell him that you can also tell him that I am praying for him to embrace Jesus as his Lord as well.
The Catholic Church I attend is majority Hispanic. Can I go to church next Sunday and tell them all that Wideawake wants them to have 20 children?
Their pastor should be encouraging them not to use contraception. That is his job - yet a pastoral imperative more often honored in the breach than in the observance.
Funny, my college was $700 per quarter in fees ($1700 now). My cost of living was less than $9,000 per year on top of that. Furthermore, I made 3/4ths of that on summer internships.
Not everyone has to go to an expensive private college.
How does he raise 18 kids without drinking? LOL!!!!!!!!!!
That's called a pyramid scheme, and it's not a good thing, because it's unsustainable.
However, given the overall birth rate in this country, the Duggars are just helping compensate for the many people who have less than 2 children.
I agree with you completely.
But from the point of view of someone who wants to know how fecundity "benefits society" - well those kinds of questioners generally are the sort of people who think Social Security and Medicare are great things.
Thanks for the consistency.
Far two many people define Americans as being white and Christian while you and see Americans as being of all religions, races and ethnic groups.
And now, as the demographics of America shifts from being majority white to whites being less than 50% of the population it is important that everyone recognize that everyone born in the USA is an American and I wish the Dugger Klan well.
I know of only one: My late Catholic uncle, his Jewish wife, and their nine kids. You don't have to travel very far up my family tree (the Catholics) to come to our Jewish heritage, though, which may have made a difference. On the whole, though, I agree with you.
Now that was a pretty nasty thing to say. What could the Duggars possibly have to do with the Klan? Just because they're from the South?
Were the children raised Catholic or Jewish?
I speak in a religious sense.
Think about it! This family is unabashedly Christian and conservative. They have been the focus of numerous television shows. If they were less than truthful about anything on their website, don't you think the secular MSM would jump at the chance to rip them into tiny little pieces??! Can you not accept that sometimes people really ARE as they appear to be? I understand your cynicism--believe me, I do--but in this case, it is just unwarranted.
We can't compete with prices like that. We're not even trying to. It's just very, very frustrating.
You meant "clan" with a little "c," didn't you?
Yes, LOL. It was a largely Catholic upbringing, but a kosher household. They celebrated Judaic and Christian holidays.
All of the kids are grown now. Three are living as Jews. Seven have started families, and a couple of those are growing quite large. I wish we lived closer to them. We don't get to visit them nearly often enough.
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