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1 posted on 06/23/2008 6:37:50 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: SJackson; Petronski

ping


2 posted on 06/23/2008 6:41:22 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehrling

Pat needs to spend more time on the Islamists, and quit trying to rewrite history ...


3 posted on 06/23/2008 6:45:18 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: mnehrling

Buchanon is the Nazi the left always said he was. What a stinkin’ creep.


4 posted on 06/23/2008 6:45:42 PM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: mnehrling

You know he lost an uncle at Auschwitz.


5 posted on 06/23/2008 6:48:58 PM PDT by library user
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To: mnehrling

Pat Buchanan does well these days because anti-Semitism is back in fashion, particularly on the left. American Jews fight anti-Semitism on the right a lot harder than they do on the left. They are largely left friendly and that will work, right up to the time they start loading the cattle cars again.


7 posted on 06/23/2008 6:50:02 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: mnehrling
Technically there was no Holocaust, but Hitler's intent was there.
On Jan 30, 1939, Hitler made a speech to the Reichstag. The speech concludes, “Today I want to be a prophet again: If international finance Jewry inside and outside Europe succeeds in precipitating the nations into a world war, the result will not be the Bolshevisation of the earth and with it the victory for Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe.”
Its clear that Hitler blamed the Jews for the resistance to his ambitions and the hostility to Germany. War broke out, and millions of Jews fell under his sway. He blamed the Jews and seized the opportunity to destroy the Jews of Europe. Hitler could not grasp the obvious: the nations of Europe would have opposed his plans, if Nazi ideology had not been antisemitic.
8 posted on 06/23/2008 6:53:32 PM PDT by quadrant
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Citing the historical fact on the atrocities on a mass scale is sufficient in dissembling Buchanan’s thesis. His proposal that the war itself gave an air of permission for the slaughter is a theory that will never measure up to the reality of the actions taken by the Nazis prior to the timeline he’s suggesting.

Branding him for bad historical recounting is fine but making a suggestion that he is somehow formenting bigotry is another. It doesn’t seem necessary to disagree with the premise of his book.

He was correct on the emotionalism surrounding the hunt for anyone who had been affiliated with the Nazis in the US Justice Department. The Demjanjuk case comes to mine where people in the 80s could point at someone and condemn them for being somewhere they had never been.

Just a declaration of their having murderous eyes was enough.

But Buchanan may have been correct on the zealousness of those cases. But his book doesn’t hold up on its prima facie case.

The butchery by the Nazis when they invaded the Soviet Union and their designation of Jews, Slavs, Negroes, etc. as inferior is more than enough of a warning in retrospect to see what they had in mind.

There was a good movie taking the documentation of the Final Solution action that rendered the officers involved but the title escapes me.

If the date of Babi Yar preceded Pat’s timeline, his book is a failure of simple fact checking and destroys its very premise.


9 posted on 06/23/2008 6:53:42 PM PDT by romanesq
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I read Pat’s book and then read the tone of this post and the contributers to this thread and just based on that I’d say the chances of Pat being much more right are very high.

The anti-Paters sound hysterical.


11 posted on 06/23/2008 6:56:55 PM PDT by prolifefirst
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Pat Buchanan and the paleo-cons have drawn all the wrong lessons from the last war. If America had lost it, we'd be a province of someone else's empire. We entered the war, not because we wanted to but because others (Japan, Germany) declared war on us and we had to finish what the other side started. Contra Buchanan, World War II is probably the one war America has to fight and win to keep America a free nation.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

19 posted on 06/23/2008 7:51:45 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: mnehrling
National Review reviewed this book in the most recent edition. I'm pretty sure I won't be picking up that book.

I still enjoy listening to Buchanan in an interview. The thing of it is is the older Buchanan gets the starker his ravings become.

21 posted on 06/23/2008 8:02:48 PM PDT by stevem
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Part 2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2035718/posts


24 posted on 06/24/2008 10:24:05 AM PDT by mnehring
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bump....


25 posted on 06/27/2008 5:34:08 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Who is Obama's Puppet Master???)
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To: mnehrling

Pat was......

All that’s left are his fashionable black shoes


26 posted on 06/27/2008 5:38:35 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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