Posted on 06/23/2008 6:37:50 PM PDT by mnehring
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Pat needs to spend more time on the Islamists, and quit trying to rewrite history ...
Buchanon is the Nazi the left always said he was. What a stinkin’ creep.
You know he lost an uncle at Auschwitz.
Yep, he fell out of the guard tower!
Pat Buchanan does well these days because anti-Semitism is back in fashion, particularly on the left. American Jews fight anti-Semitism on the right a lot harder than they do on the left. They are largely left friendly and that will work, right up to the time they start loading the cattle cars again.
Citing the historical fact on the atrocities on a mass scale is sufficient in dissembling Buchanan’s thesis. His proposal that the war itself gave an air of permission for the slaughter is a theory that will never measure up to the reality of the actions taken by the Nazis prior to the timeline he’s suggesting.
Branding him for bad historical recounting is fine but making a suggestion that he is somehow formenting bigotry is another. It doesn’t seem necessary to disagree with the premise of his book.
He was correct on the emotionalism surrounding the hunt for anyone who had been affiliated with the Nazis in the US Justice Department. The Demjanjuk case comes to mine where people in the 80s could point at someone and condemn them for being somewhere they had never been.
Just a declaration of their having murderous eyes was enough.
But Buchanan may have been correct on the zealousness of those cases. But his book doesn’t hold up on its prima facie case.
The butchery by the Nazis when they invaded the Soviet Union and their designation of Jews, Slavs, Negroes, etc. as inferior is more than enough of a warning in retrospect to see what they had in mind.
There was a good movie taking the documentation of the Final Solution action that rendered the officers involved but the title escapes me.
If the date of Babi Yar preceded Pat’s timeline, his book is a failure of simple fact checking and destroys its very premise.
Just for clarification, you are implying prior to 42, right?
I read Pat’s book and then read the tone of this post and the contributers to this thread and just based on that I’d say the chances of Pat being much more right are very high.
The anti-Paters sound hysterical.
How so?
Cute, but stupid too, that post. Antipater, eh?
Correct.
The mass killings began as soon as the Nazis invaded Poland, but the intent - if even subconscious - was implicit all along.
Correct.
The mass killings began as soon as the Nazis invaded Poland, but the intent - if even subconscious - was implicit all along.
LOL!!!!
Pat Buchanan also claims Hitler did not plan on attacking Great Britain because he did not build a surface fleet to take on the British fleet.
However, in Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich, Shirer talks about German memos documenting plans to have a fleet of some sort (may be subs) ready to go in 1941 to attack England. Hitler jumped the gun in August 1939 because he did not believe England and France would fight for the Poles.
He was right too! The Phony War was called that for a reason.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Years later I discovered that Pat Buchanan had things to say along the same lines.
It's enough that Buchanan doesn't hold a candle to Hitler when it comes to anti-semitic intent and tone, but he's in there trying eh!
Mein Kampf was written a terribly long time before the Final Solution got really pumped up, but once the Nazi party got in charge of Germany they started executing the handicapped, mentally retarded, et al ~ those they described as having "lives not worth living". It only got worse.
The accepted standard is that the Weimar Republic set the stage for the pre-war Nazi atrocities. Experience there made it all the more easy for the Nazis to murder the Jews, the Gypsies, the Poles and anybody else who got in their way, or that they thought got in their way, or whose existence called into question the Nazi idea of the Aryan "superman".
I think the accepted standard is still in play. Buchanan's deviations from that standard suggest he has some antipathy toward Jews.
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