[KevinDavis]

"There are those who believe... that life here... began out there. Far across the universe. With tribes of humans... who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians... or the Toltecs... or the Mayans... that they may have been the architects of the Great Pyramids... or the lost civilizations of Lemuria... or Atlantis... Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man... who even now fight to survive... somewhere beyond the heavens."

[KevinDavis]

[marajade]

Any of us could have written that article months ago.

[Jagman]

Given the liberal leanings of this woefully disjointed series, I’d bet more on Adam and Steve than Adam and Eve.

[who_would_fardels_bear]

It will turn out that the entire universe within which Battlestar Galactica takes place is part of a child’s science project on a planet of super-advanced beings in a universe which is one of many virtual realities created by a team of super-duper-advanced beings on a planet within a universe that is merely the dream of a butterfly on a planet within a universe ...

[buccaneer81]

Pretty interesting. To me and others, it seems like they landed in Brooklyn (you can see the wreckage of the bridge) looking across the East River. One guy actually Google Earth'd the approximate position of the CGI camera shot.

Get This: Where the Colonials and Cylons are standing is on a street (Park something or other) in Brooklyn that has a particular building standing on it today, with a view as we see it on screen.

The name of this real-life building?

The Watch Tower.

[buccaneer81]

A shot of the WatchTower building and beyond...

[Species8472]

An we have to wait till NEXT YEAR to find out.....

Grrrrrrrr!

[mikrofon]

Hopefully, they won’t go into a New Caprica “re-deux” and appear some 15+ years in the future on Earth(?) with the kids ready to romp...

[buccaneer81]

You might find this interesting...It keeps with the Brooklyn/WatchTower angle:

AURORA GRATA CATHEDRAL.; A GALA DAY FOR SCOTTISH RITE MASONS IN BROOKLYN. September 25, 1887, Wednesday

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The Scottish Rite Masons of Brooklyn made a gala day of it yesterday in the dedication of Aurora Grata Cathedral, Bedford-avenue and Madison-street, to the uses of the order as a temple. [ END OF FIRST PARAGRAPH ]

[JHBowden]

I stopped watching after the show became Battlestar Iraq. Now it looks like the show has degenerated further— it is The Real World with mankind’s new Cylon friends, with a few nonsense identity crises thrown in.

Bah.

I *loved* this show for the first year and a half. Sad to see it come to this.

[Tanniker Smith]

A couple of months back I argued on another board about Chief and his kid. I was told that they've never stated that male Cylons can't father children by humans -- only that female Cylons can't get pregnant.

I called that horrible retconning, but I was actually shot down by the "If They Haven't Said It, You Don't Know It" Crowd.

[Tanniker Smith]

By the way, I don't know if anyone else pointed this out yet -- but PLEASE! don't put the Spoilers in the TITLE or in the portion of the description that's going to show up on the main page.

I realize that it said Spoiler, but by the time I saw what it was a possible spoiler for I saw the spoiler.

8-(

[Dr. Frank fan]

Analyses and predictions like these are futile when it comes to BSG. The writers are winging it and have been for some time now. There is no logic to the overall arc and thus no puzzle pieces to put into place on which to base predictions. The future story will be whatever the writers happened to think up at the time they wrote the episodes. That's it.

Why do I say this? Because trying to take BSG seriously, at face value, on its own terms makes one's head hurt. The holes, problems, and inconsistencies include but are not limited to:

• What the hell are "Cylons" (the non-metal variety) in the first place? If the "skinjobs" (=humanoid cylons) are biologically indistinguishable from humans, as we are often told, then just how are they not humans? Remember that Baltar invented a "Cylon test", but it was a fake. There is no "Cylon test" because Cylon skinjobs are, well, identical to humans. Thus: they are humans. Show's over. So this entire series, you have to watch it pretending to be stupid enough to think there's a meaningful difference because these "Cylon" people and the other people.
• But wait - Cylon spines glow red when having sex. Um, is this not a biological difference? Why can't this be turned into a Cylon test? (I've never observed my or any other human's spine glowing red.) I guess we have to ignore/forget that.
• Being human (i.e. nothing more than human clones, as I insist they are), how do Cylon skinjobs communicate/'download' anywhere at all? What is the mechanism by which they 'download', get 'activated' and so on? (And again: if there is one, why isn't it detectable thus why couldn't one test for Cylons with it?)
• I keep coming back to the same point: either the Cylon-skinjobs are different from humans, or they are not. Pick one. If they are different, the difference can be tested for. Yet we were told it can't, indeed that even the cellular structure was the same. The idea that a humanoid made of living biological tissue can have a cell structure identical to humans and yet not be human is...well, stupid. The entire series is premised on this stupidity and all characters in the series subscribe to it.
• But pretending (as we must) that there is such a thing as a "Cylon" skinjob that is different from human, we then have to ask things like: How in the hell can Tigh be a Cylon? Makes no sense. Was skinjob technology developed prior to the first Cylon War, in which Tigh fought? Apparently. But then why weren't there any other skinjobs at that time? Why wasn't Tigh activated? Why did they develop a 'Tigh model', place him amongst humanity, see him rise to a military position, and...nothing more?
• Why do those four people even think they are Cylons? Because they heard music and wandered into the same room at the same time? This makes them Cylons? Why? Wouldn't the conclusion "this makes us Cylons" require having a coherent definition of "Cylon"? But if "Cylon" just means "susceptible to hearing/receiving such-and-such hidden messages" isn't it just a different type of human?
• When this happened, and they decided they were Cylons, Tyrol said: "..and always have been". Wasn't this a stupid thing to say? What was the alternative there: "We're Cylons...but we haven't always been"? "Always have been" is a statement that makes sense to a TV viewer discussing the show, but not to the character in the show. The writers irritatingly lack the ability to separate these two things.
• What was the Cylons's "plan"? Whatever happened to that?
• The nonrevealed 5 skinjob models are always called "The Final Five" within the show. Why? What's "final" about them exactly? Why aren't they just called "The Other Five"? I understand why they are "Final" to the TV viewers, because they are the last to be revealed to us. But there's nothing "Final" about them within the context of the show; indeed, it would seem that Tigh would've had to be among the first skinjobs, not a "final" one.
• There was all sorts of mysticism surrounding how the 7 other skinjobs discuss "The Final Five". They are not supposed to talk about them, we were told they "worship" them, etc. That was all nonsense, right? Designed to drum up suspense and wonderment in the viewer? I did not observe e.g. D'Anna doing any obvious "worshipping" of Tory. Besides, I thought the Cylons were all supposed to be monotheists. Why would they "worship" 5 other Cylon models?
• Starbuck coming back, her ship, etc.: not explained.

And on and on. I hate this show. So much that I can't stop watching it, obviously. But I do hate it. And believe me, if there's a coherent Adam-and-Even parallel coming up as the show concludes, it's something the writers only thought up on the fly, and it won't be consistent with what came before.

Because those guys are totally winging it.

[BenLurkin]

Yeah buddy!

[EsmeraldaA]

Hey Kevin.

I don't buy the Adam and Eve hybrid thing.....PLUS...where are the other Cylons... Boomer?
Did they get to Earth first and bomb it or its civilization has nuked itself to death?
OR... are they still coming? (the other cylons)
And Tigh and Caprica Six's baby?

And I almost forgot...

*”All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again”*