SPOILERS: 'Battlestar Galactica's' Adam And Eve?

SyFy Portal ^ | 06/17/08 | MICHAEL HINMAN

[KevinDavis]

The following story contains possible MODERATE SPOILERS for the final episodes of "Battlestar Galactica" in the second half of the fourth season. This story also contains RUMORS which have not been officially confirmed, and should be treated as rumor until confirmed by SciFi Channel.

Idle speculation, or is there something brewing here.

A lot of fans were puzzled by the fact that Chief Tyrol was made a Cylon -- a part of the Final Five -- despite the fact that he not only was married, but he had a kid.

"Battlestar Galactica" made a big deal about the hybrid child Hera and how she was the face of things to come. But the same amount of attention has been absent from Nicholas Tyrol, even after it was revealed he himself is a Cylon Hybrid.

So what does this mean? One source for the show says that the future story involving Nicholas and Hera will have its own Biblical proportions -- like Genesis.

[buccaneer81]

Coincidence?

I think not!

[buccaneer81]

Yes sir.

[Victoria_R]

I got into a discussion on another board regarding some of the story arcs that were taken from the original series. Some of these kids totally discount the old series. They go wild over the whole Pegasus arc and don’t realize it was pretty much the same storyline from the original!!(except for the assassination plots, lesbian sex, shooting your XO, prisoner abuse and rape

Er...except for a ship named Pegasus with a commander named Cain (and that character got one of Ronnie and Dave's sex changes), there's very little similarity between the two.

Ronnie and Dave have both stated numerous times they did everything they could to get away from the awful "stigma" of the original series. Last year they were even complaining about the title discouraging new viewers from watching the show. Ironically, NBC/Universal/Sci-Fi wanted the title only for marketing purposes to get people to watch it in the beginning.

I don't see how anyone can watch the episode "Dirty Hands" and not notice it's essentially Soviet Communist dogma. On the other hand, the people watching Ronnie and Dave's version have been educated by socialist liberal types, have no concept of history, and are more interested in the soap opera-ish bits.

Admittedly I'm also very annoyed with Supreme Court at the moment, and I see the same kind of legal relativism in Ronnie and Dave's show. It's like the granola crowd has taken over. "If we all love one another and forgive each other, things will just be great!"

[TrishaSC]

Regarding Pegasus and the similarities to the original series.

1. Galactica meets up with a battlestar that they believed was destroyed.
2. The Leader of said Battlestar is charismatic and has a very loyal crew.
3. Cain and Adama disagree on how the fleet should be run and a power struggle occurs.
4. The forces combine in the original to seize 2 fuel ships. In the new series it’s to destroy the Resurrection Ship.

If they really wanted to get away from the “stigma” of the original series I don’t understand why they didn’t come up with their own characters, their own plots, and their own stories.

As for Dirty Hands it’s fitting that the main agitator turned out to be a Cylon.

[EsmeraldaA]

Hey Kevin.

I don't buy the Adam and Eve hybrid thing.....PLUS...where are the other Cylons... Boomer?
Did they get to Earth first and bomb it or its civilization has nuked itself to death?
OR... are they still coming? (the other cylons)
And Tigh and Caprica Six's baby?

And I almost forgot...

*”All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again”*

[boogerbear]

Baltar’s test wasn’t fake, Baltar’s test worked (it identified Sharon). Baltar’s published RESULTS were fake, the test worked. They are nearly identical, but not 100%.

[boogerbear]

Except of course NO ONE associated with the show said New Caprica paralleled with Iraq. In fact they said it paralleled with occupied France. So it was Cylons = US it was Cylons = Nazis.

The question wasn’t whether the Cylons deserved to be destroyed. The question was the same one that got asked in the mini-series: do the humans deserve to live? When they had the opportunity to kill all the Cylons the variant was does anybody that commits genocide deserve to live. The moral problem there was that if they did to the Cylons what the Cylons did to them then they stop being the good guys. As any American military strategist can tell you, wearing a white hat comes at a certain strategic price, there are some things the good guys just don’t get to do, and really high up on that list is genocide.

[KevinDavis]

Plus Baltar lied to save his butt...

[KevinDavis]

I don’t know what to expect..

[EsmeraldaA]

My point exactly! %-}

[fr_freak]

Except of course NO ONE associated with the show said New Caprica paralleled with Iraq. In fact they said it paralleled with occupied France. So it was Cylons = US it was Cylons = Nazis.

In my opinion, they are full of it. I've never heard of any suicide bombings during the French resistance. That's the dead give-away. As I mentioned before, the use of suicide bombing as a tactic didn't even make sense within the context of the show, and given that they claim it was supposed to parallel the French Resistance, it makes even less sense. They simply do not want to come out and admit they were making Iraq commentary, probably because they were told by the studios not to insert any unnecessary politics into the show, but we all know lefties can't help themselves.

[boogerbear]

But remember the suicide bombings were bad. Most of the resistance was against them, Tigh crossed the line from being a good guy resistance fighter to being a morally questionable terrorist. Right after the suicide bombing that failed to kill Baltar they set off a bomb in the market that killed mostly humans and Roslin ordered him to stop that kind of attack. So IF it was commentary on the Iraqi occupation it was not anti-US.

[boogerbear]

Baltar lied to save his butt, Baltar lied to get laid, Baltar lied because he was bored.

Never trust a Baltar. I think Baltar is going to declare himself the final Cylon at some point, I don’t think he is but he’s going to see an opportunity for sex there and try to sell it.

[highball]

A couple of months back I argued on another board about Chief and his kid. I was told that they've never stated that male Cylons can't father children by humans -- only that female Cylons can't get pregnant.

We know female Cylons can get pregnant - Athena had Hera, and Caprica Six is pregnant.

The issue was that the Cylons couldn't conceive together. They thought that a human might be needed, and so the Eight "recruited" Helo.

I called that horrible retconning, but I was actually shot down by the "If They Haven't Said It, You Don't Know It" Crowd.

I think that's actually a pretty good rule of thumb, actually.

[Gaffer]

I don’t hate the show, but I agree with you. The writers have never had a long term plan. I look at it like Hillary’s campaign - no plan after Super Tuesday. This is frustrating just like “Lost” where there has never been a hint of a story line originally planned.

[Tanniker Smith]

We know female Cylons can get pregnant - Athena had Hera, and Caprica Six is pregnant.

We also know that they couldn't get pregnant before Helo came along. They were identical in all other respects. They didn't know why. But apparently males could impregnate human females, but none apparently ever tried.

Oddly enough, Tigh managed to get Caprica pregnant, but not have kids with his first Cylon wife, who was an older Six. (At least, that's how she appears in Tigh's hallucinations.)

I also remember that the secret ingredient in Athena's case was Helo's love for her.... which I don't think applied to Chief, whose wife might've loved him, but I don't think it was a mutual thing.

[boogerbear]

They couldn’t get pregnant Cylon to Cylon, but they figured out they could Cylon to human with the “missing ingredient”.

Ellen wasn’t a Cylon, that’s just Tigh’s weird hallucination to self justify his behavior. Tigh hasn’t been particularly sane since the beginning of season 3. Lost his eye, killed his wife, found out he’s a Cylon, just not good for his brain.

Keep in mind the Final Five are different than the rest. All bets are off when it comes to who and what they can impregnate and why.

[fr_freak]

But remember the suicide bombings were bad...So IF it was commentary on the Iraqi occupation it was not anti-US.

If the writers are jamming Iraq analogies into a show while denying they are doing it, you can bet that their denial isn't because the analogy is flattering to the US. Regardless, even presenting the tactic as a possibly legitimate one when that same tactic is being used in real life while the show is airing shows where the writers' sympathies lie. Any sane group of writers would never have included that tactic, or would have shown it as unequivocably bad.

Look, feel free to look past the left-leaning nature of the show so that you can enjoy it. Trying to argue that the left-leaning aspect is not there is wishful thinking at best.

[Little Ray]

I tried to look past the “left-leaning views” of the show. I was eventually forced to the conclusion that the Colonials were too stupid to live and didn't deserve to survive. Since I didn't like the Cylons, either, I didn't see any point and ditched it even before the first season was complete.

I can see my decision was correct.

I liked the ships and mechanical designs, at least for the Colonials, though.

[boogerbear]

Problem is you ass-u-me that anything that has war in it MUST relate to THIS war. They’ve said REPEATEDLY that the model was Nazi occupation of France, and really it’s obviously NOT modeled on US occupation of Iraq. Even the most wild-eyed leftist hasn’t accused the US of half the stuff the Cylons did in the NC occupation, but the Nazis did every last thing depicted by the Cylons.

Suicide bombing was not depicted as a possibly legitimate tactic. It was depicted as Tigh once again taking things too far. Remember it was established at the beginning of season 2 that Tigh is unfit for command, and his primary problem in command is how all or nothing he is, once Tigh accepts that a little bit of something is he’s incapable of knowing where the line too far is. That’s also why he’s an alcoholic, he doesn’t know how to stop doing stuff. He follows the typical Tigh progression: legitimate (sabotage and assassinations), questionable (suicide bombing targeting Baltar), wrong (suicide bombing the market). Tigh runs that pattern at least once every season, with his drinking, with his relationship with the crew, all the time.

Sorry but you’re demonstrably wrong. I’m sorry that your blatant and silly misinterpretation of the show has impacted your enjoyment, but that’s you making bad assumptions that go 180 degrees counter to both what’s on the screen AND what the makers of the show said about the content. Hate the show if you want, I don’t give a damn, but understand that what you hate about it comers 100% from YOU not from Ron Moore.