SPOILERS: 'Battlestar Galactica's' Adam And Eve?

SyFy Portal ^ | 06/17/08 | MICHAEL HINMAN

[KevinDavis]

The following story contains possible MODERATE SPOILERS for the final episodes of "Battlestar Galactica" in the second half of the fourth season. This story also contains RUMORS which have not been officially confirmed, and should be treated as rumor until confirmed by SciFi Channel.

Idle speculation, or is there something brewing here.

A lot of fans were puzzled by the fact that Chief Tyrol was made a Cylon -- a part of the Final Five -- despite the fact that he not only was married, but he had a kid.

"Battlestar Galactica" made a big deal about the hybrid child Hera and how she was the face of things to come. But the same amount of attention has been absent from Nicholas Tyrol, even after it was revealed he himself is a Cylon Hybrid.

So what does this mean? One source for the show says that the future story involving Nicholas and Hera will have its own Biblical proportions -- like Genesis.

[marajade]

oops I meant NM

[Species8472]

Who is the last cylon and would its revelation be important now that they’re on earth?

10 episodes left to answer that question - and to find the "13th Tribe"

[KevinDavis]

You also got to admit in how good the episode was when you are still talking about a week later...

[marajade]

I keep holding out hope they resurrected Crashdown and there’s one of him left and he’s in the last ten episodes.

[TrishaSC]

Just my theory.

I believe they are on Earth but they are not in the Promised Land. I think in the end all of the 12 models will need to be reunited and maybe somehow Earth will be “resurrected” or the Curse of Kobol will be lifted with the 12 models acting as the neo Lords of Kobol and what’s left of the fleet living with them in harmony. So I still think the final is important and I think D’anna will be killed so that RDM can continue dangling it like a carrot.

Here’s the Hybrids prophecy from Razor
At last, they’ve come for me. I feel their lives, their destinies spilling out before me. The denial of the one true path, played out on a world not their own, will end soon enough. Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves, the pain of revelation bringing new clarity, and in the midst of confusion, he will find her. Enemies brought together by impossible longing, enemies now joined as one. The way forward at once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering. I can see them all. The seven, now six, self-described machines who believe themselves without sin, but in time, it is sin that will consume them. They will know enmity, bitterness, the wrenching agony of the one splintering into the many, and then they will join the promised land, gathered on the wings of an angel. Not an end, but a beginning.

I don’t think that Kara is the final but I do think that she’s going to somehow unite the cylons and I think the human fleet may be decimated with only a few thousand left at the end of the series.

On a happier note I hope we get to see the beings from the Ship of Lights. There’s been some hinting that we will but I don’t trust RDM . I think he likes to tease TOS fans and unfortunately he has to drop storylines because the SCIFI channel won’t give up the bucks. It is interesting to note that in TOS when Starbuck is on the Ship of Lights he’s surrounded by 5 beings in white much like our final five. These being then bring Apollo back to life. In Crossroads we see that Starbuck’s viper is pristine (much like Apollo’s, Sheba’s, and Starbuck’s uniforms) They also return back to Galactica and know the way to Earth. Much like Starbuck.

[buccaneer81]

You might find this interesting...It keeps with the Brooklyn/WatchTower angle:

AURORA GRATA CATHEDRAL.; A GALA DAY FOR SCOTTISH RITE MASONS IN BROOKLYN. September 25, 1887, Wednesday

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The Scottish Rite Masons of Brooklyn made a gala day of it yesterday in the dedication of Aurora Grata Cathedral, Bedford-avenue and Madison-street, to the uses of the order as a temple. [ END OF FIRST PARAGRAPH ]

[TrishaSC]

I think it was both. The Original series had the underlying Mormon theology. I think RDM and the writers are just having fun with throwing in these Jehovah Witnesses references with the reimagined series. So yes it’s the Temple of Aurora but we the viewers can have a chuckle about it being the Watchtower building. Of course if the RTF consisted of 144,000 then we’d definitely know that we were on to something big!!

[buccaneer81]

See my post # 46. I think we’ve nailed it!

[JHBowden]

I stopped watching after the show became Battlestar Iraq. Now it looks like the show has degenerated further— it is The Real World with mankind’s new Cylon friends, with a few nonsense identity crises thrown in.

Bah.

I *loved* this show for the first year and a half. Sad to see it come to this.

[Tanniker Smith]

A couple of months back I argued on another board about Chief and his kid. I was told that they've never stated that male Cylons can't father children by humans -- only that female Cylons can't get pregnant.

I called that horrible retconning, but I was actually shot down by the "If They Haven't Said It, You Don't Know It" Crowd.

[figgers3036]

Really? Just like the song! I love this series. But I’m a sucker for sci-fi.

[Tanniker Smith]

By the way, I don't know if anyone else pointed this out yet -- but PLEASE! don't put the Spoilers in the TITLE or in the portion of the description that's going to show up on the main page.

I realize that it said Spoiler, but by the time I saw what it was a possible spoiler for I saw the spoiler.

8-(

[KevinDavis]

Just look at the robed figures behind Starbuck:



Look at the robed figures behind Deanna:

I also think that Starbuck was not killed.. I hope Ron brings back the Ship of Lights..

[Tanniker Smith]

The Watch Tower.

Is that the Jehovah's Witnesses' building??

[KevinDavis]

From now on.. No more spoilers..

[buccaneer81]

Is that the Jehovah's Witnesses' building??

Yes, indeed. And see my post #46 for the explanation of The Temple of Aurora.

[TrishaSC]

I got into a discussion on another board regarding some of the story arcs that were taken from the original series. Some of these kids totally discount the old series. They go wild over the whole Pegasus arc and don’t realize it was pretty much the same storyline from the original!!(except for the assassination plots, lesbian sex, shooting your XO, prisoner abuse and rape) There’s alot of bashing of Glen Larson on some of the boards that I’ve gone to.

I love that expression on Starbuck’s face!!

[Dr. Frank fan]

Analyses and predictions like these are futile when it comes to BSG. The writers are winging it and have been for some time now. There is no logic to the overall arc and thus no puzzle pieces to put into place on which to base predictions. The future story will be whatever the writers happened to think up at the time they wrote the episodes. That's it.

Why do I say this? Because trying to take BSG seriously, at face value, on its own terms makes one's head hurt. The holes, problems, and inconsistencies include but are not limited to:

• What the hell are "Cylons" (the non-metal variety) in the first place? If the "skinjobs" (=humanoid cylons) are biologically indistinguishable from humans, as we are often told, then just how are they not humans? Remember that Baltar invented a "Cylon test", but it was a fake. There is no "Cylon test" because Cylon skinjobs are, well, identical to humans. Thus: they are humans. Show's over. So this entire series, you have to watch it pretending to be stupid enough to think there's a meaningful difference because these "Cylon" people and the other people.
• But wait - Cylon spines glow red when having sex. Um, is this not a biological difference? Why can't this be turned into a Cylon test? (I've never observed my or any other human's spine glowing red.) I guess we have to ignore/forget that.
• Being human (i.e. nothing more than human clones, as I insist they are), how do Cylon skinjobs communicate/'download' anywhere at all? What is the mechanism by which they 'download', get 'activated' and so on? (And again: if there is one, why isn't it detectable thus why couldn't one test for Cylons with it?)
• I keep coming back to the same point: either the Cylon-skinjobs are different from humans, or they are not. Pick one. If they are different, the difference can be tested for. Yet we were told it can't, indeed that even the cellular structure was the same. The idea that a humanoid made of living biological tissue can have a cell structure identical to humans and yet not be human is...well, stupid. The entire series is premised on this stupidity and all characters in the series subscribe to it.
• But pretending (as we must) that there is such a thing as a "Cylon" skinjob that is different from human, we then have to ask things like: How in the hell can Tigh be a Cylon? Makes no sense. Was skinjob technology developed prior to the first Cylon War, in which Tigh fought? Apparently. But then why weren't there any other skinjobs at that time? Why wasn't Tigh activated? Why did they develop a 'Tigh model', place him amongst humanity, see him rise to a military position, and...nothing more?
• Why do those four people even think they are Cylons? Because they heard music and wandered into the same room at the same time? This makes them Cylons? Why? Wouldn't the conclusion "this makes us Cylons" require having a coherent definition of "Cylon"? But if "Cylon" just means "susceptible to hearing/receiving such-and-such hidden messages" isn't it just a different type of human?
• When this happened, and they decided they were Cylons, Tyrol said: "..and always have been". Wasn't this a stupid thing to say? What was the alternative there: "We're Cylons...but we haven't always been"? "Always have been" is a statement that makes sense to a TV viewer discussing the show, but not to the character in the show. The writers irritatingly lack the ability to separate these two things.
• What was the Cylons's "plan"? Whatever happened to that?
• The nonrevealed 5 skinjob models are always called "The Final Five" within the show. Why? What's "final" about them exactly? Why aren't they just called "The Other Five"? I understand why they are "Final" to the TV viewers, because they are the last to be revealed to us. But there's nothing "Final" about them within the context of the show; indeed, it would seem that Tigh would've had to be among the first skinjobs, not a "final" one.
• There was all sorts of mysticism surrounding how the 7 other skinjobs discuss "The Final Five". They are not supposed to talk about them, we were told they "worship" them, etc. That was all nonsense, right? Designed to drum up suspense and wonderment in the viewer? I did not observe e.g. D'Anna doing any obvious "worshipping" of Tory. Besides, I thought the Cylons were all supposed to be monotheists. Why would they "worship" 5 other Cylon models?
• Starbuck coming back, her ship, etc.: not explained.

And on and on. I hate this show. So much that I can't stop watching it, obviously. But I do hate it. And believe me, if there's a coherent Adam-and-Even parallel coming up as the show concludes, it's something the writers only thought up on the fly, and it won't be consistent with what came before.

Because those guys are totally winging it.

[kalee]

ping

[TrishaSC]

Does speculation on the final using things that have happened in this season and former season count as being spoilerish?