Posted on 05/01/2008 5:11:26 PM PDT by Swordmaker
In any case, a default install of Apache lets you drop your files in the folder and they get served. Advanced configuration isn’t always necessary, especially for simple home stuff.
And just the fact that MS went out of its way to let home users host sites on their computers scary. The decision was dumb and dangerous with no thought to security, an especially “silly idea.” Kinda reminds me of Outlook.
And remember to remove the tin foil hat before you respond again.
I second that. MS did a LOT of catch-up work there, and came off very well.
Dramatically. You can lock down just about anything in the hardware and software on client Macs. Browse Apple's OS X Server pages, you'll be amazed at what you get for $500 for 10 clients, $1,000 for unlimited.
Here’s some pictures of PWS management, graphically based and much simpler than Apache:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/pwebsrv/deploy/setuppws.mspx?mfr=true
I do see an FTP service there, but it is turned OFF by default:
http://www.coveryourasp.com/PWS6.asp
As is ASP page processing:
http://www.coveryourasp.com/PWS5.asp
Now you’re asking these “people running it from home, which likely means they really don’t know what they’re doing” as you called them, to have to download some 3rd party freeware from who knows where, install and configure it, just to get a basic GUI? This is making it easier you say?
On one hand, you don't need the GUI. On the other hand, the harder the better, because barely computer literate people shouldn't be running web servers from their homes in the first place. Very, very bad idea by Microsoft.
Once you go Mac, you never go back.
Really, truly, insanely great.
No it actually worked great, I used it for years and know many others who did as well, and the new IIS is even better. Comparatively Apache doesn’t even have a GUI and has more security holes, case closed.
As of 6, IIS was a decent product. As opposed to your assertion that I just like to bash Microsoft, I’ve said that before.
But earlier including PWS it was a piece of junk riddled with holes, dangerous for anyone, especially the average home user, to run. Hey, I have a great idea, let’s have the outward-facing http server run under the system account. Exploit a an IIS vulnerability and you own the whole box!
Define "much more powerful".
What I consider a "much more powerful shell script" might do things like send email, modify operating systems, or change databases and directories.
I'm not sure that's something I'd like to have "just work" on everybody's computer.
You’re getting nowhere, Apache had the same problem when compared to PWS, read the bottom line:
http://www.epibiostat.ucsf.edu/manual/platform/win_service.xml
So in your eyes Apache was as evil as Microsoft for making this available to home users?
Thank you very much:
In fact, Windows 95/98 offers no security on the local machine, either. This is the simple reason that the Apache Software Foundation never endorses the use of Windows 95/98 as a public httpd server. These facilities exist only to assist the user in developing web content and learning the Apache server, and perhaps as a intranet server on a secured, private network.Apache made it available saying never to make it outward-facing, mainly as an internal learning tool. Yet Microsoft shipped PWS with Windows 98, advertising that you can run your own public web server.
You’re geting nowhere, so did Microsoft:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307439
Quote:
Personal Web Server and Peer Web Services are basic Web publishing services for use in low-volume, protected, and secure networks.
I like it.
It the interest of full disclosure, I also liked REXX, which a lot of people think is a little weird.
Don't think so on 15 & 16... remember that Mac OS X IS UNIX.
Oh yeah, the average computer newbie who got ‘98 and saw the ads for PWS and installed it off his ‘98 CD really looked at that KB article to see that. In the early days of the WWW Microsoft was very good at putting dangerous technologies in the hands of people who had never seen a computer before.
Meanwhile, Apache was made for those who knew what they were doing and followed instructions and warnings. It was a separate product you had to know about, go to Apache and download (usually over dialup).
ROFL
Apache was made for those who knew what they were doing
But you've been saying over and over it was somehow better for the clueless end users you keep insulting.
It was a separate product you had to know about, go to Apache and download (usually over dialup).
No good for the clueless noobs then, which was your original point remember. Guess not. But even if you were a professional you were no better off security wise than with PWS, due to the underlying O/S, as this thread also shows. But I'm sure you'll move the goalposts again now, look for some way to blame Microsoft for something else.
I am not just talking about lockdowns. How familiar with AD are you? Advanved GPOs and such? Can you, for example, offer support to a mac station from your mac station, which shares his desktop? Can you control what type of cetificates the workstations will accept? Are there millions of options?
Thanks, much; but that is already checked.
What happens is the mouse's arrowhead shaped pointer changes into an "I" shaped pointer , when the arrow passes over a box into which I can type, like the one I'm typing in now.
The "I" shaped pointer is still visible, and right now is obscuring two letters in words on two lines.
To be fair, sometimes when I start to type it does disappear--but just as often I have to grab the mouse to make it go away (infuriating to a touch typist, when having to constantly do this, esp. when entering data into database fields).
Flaky, like every other thing MS does.
Thanks, everyone, but we've wasted too much time on this already.
by the time we figure out even this little thing--if it can be figured out--the software will be outdated anyhow, and it's on to the latest bug release.
That's when I know this is over and you can't debate anymore. Don't think we've forgotten. Bye.
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