Which group is more ... focused: Bush-haters, or McCain-haters? :)

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Just saying:

Seems more and more, like there's not a whole lot of behavioral difference between those on one side of the aisle who see everything through the prism of hating Bush,...

And those on one side of the aisle who see everything through the prism of hating John McCain.

Please. Stop attacking the Republican.

[MizSterious]

"Either Dem as POTUS would be a disaster."

I agree. Obama, Clinton or McCain are all three likely to be a disaster, regardless of the superficial letter (R or D) after their names.

[MizSterious]

You mean, he won’t do those things unless polls make it favorable to do so. Like immigration, 2nd Amendment issues, 1st Amendment issues, and on and on. Sorry, Jane, you can keep him. I don’t want him.

[Polybius]

In the USA, “voting” is now done with a ballot with two names on it, ...

When you debate, try sticking to the truth instead making up claims that everybody that has ever put a Number 2 pencil to a Presidential ballot knows is Bravo Sierra.

You see that name "Ralph Nader" on the 2000 Election Florida ballot? Fourth down on the left hand side?

He recieved 97,488 votes from left-wingers in Florida who thought that Al Gore was not "liberal enough" for them.

Bush won Florida's Electoral Votes by only 543 popular votes. Florida's Electoral Votes were the votes that put George W. Bush in the White House.

To say that there are "only two choices" is an outright falsehood.

To say that throwing your vote away in a temper tantrum never matters is also an outright falsehood.

Instead of whining and making up lies that "only two names are allowed on U.S. ballots", maybe you should be trying to be convincing your neighbors with Obama bumper stickers that the candidate on the ballot that most reflects your views has a political philosophy that they should be voting for.

Once you convince enough American voters of that, you can actually WIN.

[SIDENET]

The extremist right has been pushed aside.

You don't agree with them, therefore they're "extremist".

Nice.

[MizSterious]

"Most of us ARE voting. For any conservative that we can find down-ticket. We do not vote for liberals, even if they have an “R” next to their name."

Bump!!

[Content Provider]

To say that there are "only two choices" is an outright falsehood.

To say that throwing your vote away in a temper tantrum never matters is also an outright falsehood.

These two statements are mutually exclusive. Either I have only two choices on the ballot, or voting for a third choice is not "throwing my vote away".

In a practical sense, there will be only two choices who have any prayer of winning - this appears to be part of your argument and it is an assertion I agree with.

Instead of whining and making up lies that "only two names are allowed on U.S. ballots", maybe you should be trying to be convincing your neighbors with Obama bumper stickers that the candidate on the ballot that most reflects your views has a political philosophy that they should be voting for.

Once you convince enough American voters of that, you can actually WIN.

I've been making that argument for many, many years. Only to find my arguments undermined by the GOP itself. Once the GOP went sufficiently far left, those same exact arguments make the case not to vote GOP either.

I'm not quite sure how I'm supposed to convince enough American voters when what I thought was my own party decides they agree with the Democrats' agenda.

Support of McCain is nothing short of total capitulation to the Democrat agenda. On issue after issue, he is closer to the Democrats than he is to the GOP platform.

[NFHale]

Interestingly enough - The ballot contains:
“Socialist Workers” party
“Green” Party
“Socialist” Party
“Workers World” Party

All good, loyal, communist Democrat party subgroups with EXACTLY the same goals.

[Harvey105]

Jane,

Regardless of who wins in November, we will not pull out of Iraq.

Obama and Hillary and the Dems in general are screaming for a pullout to make the GOP and Bush look bad by having a loss in the GOP column. If we are still there in Jan 2009, we will be there for at least 4 more years.

What you see from the Dems is pure political theater.

[JoJo Gunn]

[Polybius]

Right-of-center would be a perfectly acceptable compromise to me. I am not demanding all or nothing. Show me a right-of-center candidate, and I’ll show you a candidate who won’t be on the ballot this November.

Maybe our perception of where America's center line is differs.

Out here in my corner of the Left Coast, anybody with a Dennis Kucinick sign on his front lawn is considered "middle of the road". I am considered a "Fascist".

[NFHale]

“Pure political theater” - I see it as plyaing with the lives of our troops overseas.

Every time one of these DemCom bastards opens his mouth, the ragheads in the Middle East that we are fighting dance in the streets and get renewed hope.

Article 3, Section 3:

“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, OR IN ADHERING TO THEIR ENEMIES, GIVING THEM AID AND COMFORT.”

Sounds to me that whenever someone gives the enemy HOPE that they should keep fighting, that would be “aid and comfort”...

Just a thought...

[bert]

.....You don't agree with them.....

No, that is not my point or necessarily my personal view. It is my perception of the reality of the present.

The recent poll here on Free Republic now gone showed 70% or so will support McCain if only to prevent a Marxist from gaining control of the government. This poll places the balance, absent the very small undecided minority, at the far right end of the very conservative forum.

When taken as part of the total political spectrum that extends across a wide center to the extreme moonbat left, this minority becomes extreme.

I become nauseated at the concept of President Obama. My task is to become a gentle persuader....nudge those at the extreme towards the middle and prevent President Obama.

[Content Provider]

I think there is a difference between the perceived center line and the actual one. The perception is unduly influenced by a hard-left media - by their own admission the biased nature of their reporting accounts for a 15% leftward shift.

Based on the perceived center line, there’s no way Reagan should have won, never mind the landslide.

The center responds very well to a well-structured, well-articulated conservative agenda. Take the Contract with America, for example - it’s way to the right of the perceived center line, yet it was a platform that converted a Democrat majority in Congress to a GOP one.

The conservative case is objectively superior - it is coherent and has a strong record of improving quality of life and standards of living, whereas the socialist case has a record of unmitigated failure.

What we lack are candidates who believe in and articulate these principles.

Here’s a little perspective... the GOP platform from 1964:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25840

And here’s the Democrat platform from 1968:

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=29604

We’ve gotten to the point where the GOP policies of 2008 are to the left of Democrat policies from 1968. The GOP platform of 1964 is so far to the right of today’s GOP candidate that its authors would be considered right-wing extremists today.

So when does it end?

I say it ends now. I say we stop capitulating to every leftward lurch. If we do not - will the GOP platform 40 years hence be well to the left of the Democrat platform today? Will GOP activists persuade me to vote for a Worker’s World Socialist type as the lesser of evils against the Democrat Communist candidate?

In that future, the country is lost. We need to stop it now - there will be no better opportunity in the future.

[Harvey105]

I found your post to be impassioned, insightful, and accurate while you focused on Hillary and Obama and I agree with you 100%.

However, you make a fatal mistake in assuming that McCain is more on our side than the left’s and actually wants what we want. He hasn’t really courted us and would like nothing more but to continue to ignore us and win without us. He says that he only wants one term, so how do we hold his feet to the fire? After the travesty of McCain Feingold, he — along with Bush for signing it and SCOTUS for okaying it — should have been impeached. Instead, he is ‘our’ candidate for the top job.

I will vote for a conservative for President. Unfortunately that does not mean McCain.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

>>They are still in denial after losing.<<

Unfortunately, we have all lost.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

>>This poll places the balance, absent the very small undecided minority, at the far right end of the very conservative forum.<<

Uh-huh. How do you know the undecided are such a small minority? I thought you were posting based on facts, but looks like you made that “fact” up. I don’t see how you have to be such an “extremist” to find a POTUS candidate who puts the interests of Mexico above those of the USA unqualified.

[NFHale]

Understood. But who is the conservative onthe ballot? Where is he?

I think the country deserves better than having the scumbags back in charge or the radical closeted black panther.

Like I said - I don’t like McCain at all; and the only two real conservatives (IMHO) Hunter and Thompson QUIT and bailed on us. Who is left? Ron Paul? While I agree that he IS conservative on some issues (especially 2nd Amendment issues), the GOP will NOT let him win. Period. This is a reality that we face. He does NOT have the support of middle America, and THAT is where this will be fought and won.

To hold his feet to the fire, I think we can at the very least, with a secured/gridlocked Congress, hold the threat of STALEMATE/impasse over McCain’s head, versus a run-amok, rubber stamp DemCom controlled congress if either of the other A**holes win.

“Clowns to the left of me...jokers to the right, here I am...stuck in the middle...”

Kinda sums it all up...
Congress is the REAL battle. This POTUS race is the shiney thing to distract us. We need to get Conservatives into Congress to slam these freaks down and trash EVERY un-Constitutional law that comes across their desks. therwise, we’re just pissing in the wind and this whole issue is moot.

What are our COngressional options this time around? I think we need to re-tool and re-focus our efforts there, to take our House and Senate back and not just hold it, but reinforce it with a good number of seats.

I don’t have the answer, my friend...just trying to work through it all, same as the rest of Freepland...

[Harvey105]

You are absolutely correct, but the Dems do it for political gain and to take power, not because they actually want us out of Iraq.

Remember that all the while they are screaming to get out, there are the Murthas and Pelosis that are huge financial gains from their ‘defense industry’ interests.

Theater. Albeit, damnable and treasonous theater.

[SIDENET]

From your previous post: The gains in the middle will offset the minor loss.

Then this: My task is to become a gentle persuader....nudge those at the extreme towards the middle and prevent President Obama.

Well, which is it?

Either conservatives don't matter because their votes will be made up by the middle, or they need to be nudged "towards the middle" to "prevent President Obama".

Actually, I think that McCain's (and much of the GOP's) gamble has been to appeal to the squishy middle, at the expense of what they see as right wing kooks. And of course, if they end up needing those "extremists", they can always throw out some appeal to fear to get us on board.

If that has been the case, so be it, but it may end up being a losing tactic.

The way I see it, McCain has repeatedly flipped the bird at movement conservatives, and now has a "problem with the base". However, conservatives who now don't support McCain are being criticized as though they are the problem. You know, McCain created this situation, not conservatives. In other words, if the candidate doesn't appeal to voters, don't blame the voters.

[rockrr]

One huge difference - I don’t “hate” McCain - I just think he is totally unsuited to be President and therefore I will not support him.

If the GOP wants so badly to “win” they should prop up a viable candidate.