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Laptop RAM question.
me ^ | 3/19/08

Posted on 03/19/2008 5:50:28 PM PDT by LouAvul

I'm going to order a Dell laptop Latitude computer. The specs say:

[i]2.0GB, DDR2-667 SDRAM, 2 DIMMS [Included in Price][/i]

Now, "DIMM" is "Dual Inline Memory Module," right? That means it has two sockets for the memory strips?

But it offers, as a $30 option, 2 GB memory with 1 DIMM. I thought DIMM required memory be installed in pairs.

Why is this better?

thanx


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: help

1 posted on 03/19/2008 5:50:28 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Pay whatever it takes to get the maximum amount of ram you can possibly get in it.


2 posted on 03/19/2008 5:52:11 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (<<<Life's a bitch, don't elect one President.>>>)
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To: LouAvul

what’s the max memory? if there is an extra slot you can always add more


3 posted on 03/19/2008 5:52:25 PM PDT by RDTF (Go AEGIS!)
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To: LouAvul

Get 20 gigs memory (get the max)


4 posted on 03/19/2008 5:53:56 PM PDT by VastRWCon (Jack Bauer for President/2008)
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To: LouAvul

It’s better to run RAM in pairs. That way, the RAM will run in, what is called “dual-channel” mode, and you’ll get a small performance improvement over “single-channel” mode.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_channel


5 posted on 03/19/2008 5:55:36 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: LouAvul

Pay the $30 more to get the single SODIMM. You want that extra slot.

Otherwise, when you go to upgrade RAM, you have to take out some existing RAM to install more. What I think they’re doing is two slots: 1gb + 1gb or, for $30 more, two slots, 2gb + 0gb.

If you want to add RAM later, it goes in one of those slots.

Ideally, buy the maximum RAM you can get right now. But if not, at least pay the extra for the dense single stick (and the empty second slot).


6 posted on 03/19/2008 5:55:55 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: LouAvul

With 1 2GB module you could upgrade by buying another 2GB module for the other slot to make 4 GB.

With 2 1 GB modules you would have to remove or or two 1 GB modules in order to upgrade to 3 GB or 4 GB.

Some people may think it’s a waste of the 1 GB chips, some may have other uses for them.


7 posted on 03/19/2008 5:57:02 PM PDT by longjack
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To: LouAvul; hiredhand; sit-rep

I do not know the answer too your question yet will ping someone who will........and bump the thread too the top !

Remember there is always the gorilla tape option !!


8 posted on 03/19/2008 5:58:01 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.©)
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To: LouAvul

Read the thing in #5, pay the extra for 4 gigs (and use only 3.5 gigs in a 32 bit OS).


9 posted on 03/19/2008 5:58:05 PM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: LouAvul

No Dual means the memory is double sided and uses double the bandwidth. I would personally stick with the two 1 gb dimm’s as you will receive a litle more pop from it than using one big DIMM, alternatively take the 2 gb single stick and upgrade later to have more memory.


10 posted on 03/19/2008 5:58:22 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: LouAvul

Using one slot will be marginally slower, but you can easily add another stick of memory without having to trash some of the memory you bought with the machine. That’s probably worth the $30.

Just remember that 3 gigs is the effective max for 32bit operating systems, so even if you add 2 more gigs, your computer will only be able to access a little more than 3 gigs.

32 bit operating systems can access 4 gigs of address space, but need to reserve some of that memory space for system functions like video and BIOS. It is the same issue as the 640k limit in DOS.


11 posted on 03/19/2008 6:00:36 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: aft_lizard

So an upgrade would mean going from 2 gig RAM to 4 gig RAM. All I need the computer for is powerpoint real estate presentations, word processing, excel and watching netflix. Do I really need 4 gigs RAM?


12 posted on 03/19/2008 6:01:16 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul; aft_lizard

No, the word “Dual” in “dual inline memory module” refers to the fact that the edge pads on the top of the stick are different from the edge pads in the same place on the bottom of the stick.

The old SIMMS (single inline memory module) have edge pads on the top and the bottom, and edge pads on top of the PCB line up with edge pads on the bottom and are the same signal, effectively giving you half the connections you can get with a DIMM.


13 posted on 03/19/2008 6:07:23 PM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: Bobkk47

Gotta be careful...not a lot of laptops support dual channel. You have to have that in the chipset, and dual-channel isn’t necessarily conducive to low-power operation.


14 posted on 03/19/2008 6:08:20 PM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: LouAvul; MediaMole

My bet is that:

a) Your laptop doesn’t support dual-channel (i.e. you get no speed increase from using 2 dimms that are identical)

and

b) Your OS can’t use more than 3GB because of what MediaMole said.

Therefore, if you put 4GB in there, you are getting 3GB of memory and spending the money and battery power to refresh an extra 1GB of DRAM that you are never using.

As long as there you feel comfortable that you get nothing from using dual-channel, there is no reason to get 4GB instead of 3GB, and your battery will last a little longer as a result.


15 posted on 03/19/2008 6:12:24 PM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: LouAvul

If I were you, I’d spend the $30 to get your 2GB as one DIMM, then buy a 1GB DIMM later if you see you need it.

Do not spend the joules of energy refreshing DRAM that you can’t use! (which would happen if you had a total of 4GB)


16 posted on 03/19/2008 6:15:13 PM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: LouAvul
Do I really need 4 gigs RAM?

Probably not. I use 512MB and it's pretty fast.

17 posted on 03/19/2008 6:55:43 PM PDT by jdm ("You only live once and usually not even then." - Michael O'Donoghue)
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To: LouAvul

Somewhere it should tell you how much RAM is supported in the system. It sounds as if the system supports at least 4GB of RAM, as in 2 x 2GB modules, though it could support more...

But that brings up a number of other questions: What processor and OS will it be using. If you’re using a 32 bit processor or OS, the maximum amount of RAM that can be addressed is 4GB, though due to system overhead, you’ll probably only see 3.5GB - 3.75GB total. That’s because devices like the system BIOS and video adapters “intrude” into that 4GB address space, keeping your computer from being able to access all 4GB. However, if you have a 64 bit processor, hardware designed for 64bit operation, and 64 bit OS, then the system can address far more RAM.

Finally depending on the design of the system, if you install the RAM in pairs, you may see improved performance, but that’s not always the case.


18 posted on 03/19/2008 8:57:19 PM PDT by MarkL
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To: Squantos; LouAvul; sit-rep
Sorry I'm so behind lately. If it were me, I'd go with the two slots for DIMM. In my peculiar little world, one can never have enough bandwidth OR memory, and although it isn't guaranteed, the laptop will probably support more physical RAM with the two DIMM slots, as opposed to one.

"Generally", if there are two slots, they both have to be occupied, but not necessarily. Dell should publish the "rules" on how you can mix and match memory modules, or even if it's permitted.

One of my kids was telling me that memory has come down a lot in price lately. He said he was looking at 2G of DDR-2 for $35 after rebates at Tiger Direct I "think".

If I had my "druthers" and I was building a PC or laptop at this time, I'd just plop 2 to 4 gigabytes of RAM in it and save a lot of aggravation....but that's just me. :-)
19 posted on 03/20/2008 5:29:05 PM PDT by hiredhand (Check my "about" page. I'm the Prophet of Doom!)
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