The last charge (Knights Templar are back...)

The Guardian (U.K.) ^ | 3-19-08 | Patrick Barkham

[Renfield]

Almost 700 years after the Pope burned their leader at the stake, the Knights Templar are back. Or are they? Patrick Barkham tries to find out why the long-vanished order of Crusaders might suddenly be advertising in the press....

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Apart from the odd misplaced apostrophe and various arcane references to "annulling the bull", the advert gravely announced that the Knights Templar would petition the Pope to "restore the Order with the duties, rights and privileges appropriate to the 21st century and beyond". It called on all Templar groups and "brothers in arms" around the world to get in touch, either via its website, www.theknightstemplar.info, or an address in west London, which could clearly become a mecca for long-lost Templars and baffled Telegraph readers alike....

[Renfield]

Any interest in the Knights Templar?

[TexasNative2000]

You might want to talk to Tom Hanks.........

[wideawake]

Anyone who claims to be a Knight Templar today is a member of a secret society and is, if Catholic, under a latae sententiae excommunication which can be rescinded only if they renounce their membership in the secret society.

[Dixie Yooper]

which could clearly become a mecca for long-lost Templars

Mecca? Jerusalem perhaps, never Mecca.

[SF Republican]

under a latae sententiae excommunication - what are the chances the Pope would rescind this?

[Dr.Deth]

Another possible worm is the reaction that the restoration of the Templars would cause among some Islamic groups who associate the Templars with the Crusades.

That's precisely why this should be seriously considered. A big f-you to the "Crusades for we, not for thee" Jihadis.

[wideawake]

what are the chances the Pope would rescind this?

Without renunciation of membership in the secret society, none. This particular excommunication is reserved to the local ordinary, usually.

[shuckmaster]

They’re putting the band back together again.

[uglybiker]

I'm still looking for proof that ANY group calling itself 'Kights Templar' (Masons included) are descended from the originals.

[SunkenCiv]

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[Lurker]

Ah yes....excommunication. Isn't that where mortal men tell God who He's allowed to talk to?

L

[wideawake]

Isn't that where mortal men tell God who He's allowed to talk to?

Your post essentially reads: "Wideawake, I have no idea what the word 'excommunication' means. Can you explain it to me?"

Well, Lurker, I'd be happy to.

Excommunication means that Church recognizes that one of its members has committed a sin of the kind that merits the sinner's exclusion from the sacraments it administers.

[Lurker]

Excommunication means that Church recognizes that one of its members has committed a sin of the kind that merits the sinner's exclusion from the sacraments it administers.

Oh gee, thanks.

So in other words as far as God is concerned, it doesn't mean squat.

Thanks for clearing that up.

L

[wideawake]

So in other words as far as God is concerned, it doesn't mean squat.

Except for the fact that He, in the person of the Holy Spirit, guides the Church and commands obedience to its precepts.

[Lurker]

Except for the fact that He, in the person of the Holy Spirit, guides the Church

The Pope is God? Who knew?

L

[wideawake]

The Pope is God? Who knew?

What your post actually says is: "Wideawake, I've read the New Testament, but I'm a little confused. Was Jesus God or was Peter God? I can't remember, can you tell me?"

Again, Lurker, I'd be happy to.

Jesus was God, and Peter was a mortal man that Jesus selected to perform certain tasks on His behalf.

[Lurker]

What your post actually says, and I quote, is this:

Except for the fact that He, in the person of the Holy Spirit, guides the Church

So your position is that Jesus is running the Catholic Church?

Do I have that about right?

L

[wideawake]

So your position is that Jesus is running the Catholic Church?

Insofar as jesus is the Son of God and the Son and Holy Spirit are one, He is guiding the Church - not administrating it.

"Running" is too vague a term since it could mean either.

[Lurker]

"Running" is too vague a term since it could mean either.

Did Jesus 'excommunicate' the Knights Templar or did the Pope do it?

L