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Still has a mouth, and still must scream (Harlan Ellison)
Salon.com ^ | March 13, 2008 | Andrew O’Hehir

Posted on 03/14/2008 8:13:49 PM PDT by EveningStar

When I was about 18, I went to a science-fiction bookstore in Berkeley, Calif., to attend a book signing by Harlan Ellison. I had a couple of well-thumbed paperback collections for Ellison to sign, and was totally unprepared for the long line of fans, many of them bearing 10 or 15 pristinely preserved hardcover books. The college-age woman in front of me had just such a pile, but was carrying something else too. When she got to the front of the line, she cleared her throat and thrust something toward Ellison. "Mr. Ellison, I wrote a story and you're in it," she said. "You're an elf!"

As Erik Nelson, director of "Dreams With Sharp Teeth," a film about Ellison that just premiered at the South by Southwest Film Festival, observed when I told him the story, that woman was enough of an Ellison fan to want to include him in her literary universe -- but not enough of one to understand just how little he would be interested. Along with the other people in line, I cringed and cowered, expecting a nuclear outburst. Ellison went on signing her books, lifting his eyes from the page only to declare in a level voice, "I don't want to read your ****ing story."...

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: blowschunks; books; ellison; fantasy; harlanellison; literature; sciencefiction; scifi; sf; speculativefiction
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To: EveningStar

I read “I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream” when I was about 15. It was in a paperback anthology of SF.

It made me kind of sick to my stomach, but I couldn’t put it down. I’d never read anything like it, and it changed me a little.


21 posted on 03/15/2008 8:04:42 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: EveningStar

Ellison is a moonbat, but he is a great writer - some of his stories just haunt you after you read them.

If you can find them, check out his books of TV commentary columns from the 70’s (The Glass Teat and The Other Glass Teat). mostly hilarious and insightful, if you can stand the moonbatry.


22 posted on 03/15/2008 8:33:41 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Nope. Not gonna do it.)
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To: Borges

He acts like a Queen, as witnessed by his estrogen seizures when thinking of Spiro Agnew.

Yeah, claims against Cameron were made against “Demon With A Glass Hand” and something else I can’t remember, another Outer Limits episode with Michael Ansara?


23 posted on 03/15/2008 11:55:26 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the RINO population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: MarkL
his real strength is as an editor.

Hasn't he been supposedly sitting on a compilation for thirty-odd years now?  :) 

24 posted on 03/15/2008 11:58:09 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the RINO population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: JoJo Gunn
Hasn't he been supposedly sitting on a compilation for thirty-odd years now? :)

It wouldn't surprise me... Ellison is sort of like the wine commercial... "We will sell no wine until we feel like it!" LOL

Seriously though, his Dangerous Visions trilogy took forever to be released, but they were eye-opening. The idea being to release anthologies of short stories by both established authors AND relatively new authors in a single book. Had it not been for DV, I probably never would have picked up a book by Piers Anthony or Theodore Sturgeon.

You know, I think that I read DV back around 1980 or 1981, and to this day I remember the story by Piers Anthony, "In the Barn." Quite a disturbing story about an alternate universe.

Mark

25 posted on 03/16/2008 4:06:21 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: JoJo Gunn

The two OL episodes he wrote were that and Soldier. It was the latter which Cameron used as the basis for his script.


26 posted on 03/16/2008 9:12:30 AM PDT by Borges
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To: JoJo Gunn

The episode with Ansara is “Soldier.”


27 posted on 03/16/2008 9:14:26 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: MarkL
his real strength is as an editor

He is in too much of a hurry to do that right. His ability to dismiss people is unrivaled and for that alone he should be remembered with a statue in front of the local Barnes & Noble. Robin Williams might be in the same league, but Ellison in his prime was untouchable.

28 posted on 03/16/2008 9:21:23 AM PDT by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: Borges; JoJo Gunn
To me, the plot point similarities between "Soldier" and "The Terminator" really stand out. I have the old Outer Limits series and the Terminator movies on DVD.

I did re-watch both "Soldier" and "Demon With a Glass Hand" yesterday. I had not seen either in years and wanted to see how they held up. I found them both to be entertaining, though a wee bit dated. However, "Demon" was not nearly as good as I remembered it to be.

According to the Wikipedia article about Ellison, he didn't sue Cameron until after Cameron mentioned that he had been inspired by Ellison's work. This could indicate that Ellison had not yet seen the movie:

After James Cameron in an interview about his movie The Terminator mentioned that he had been inspired by two episodes ("Soldier" and "Demon with a Glass Hand") of the 1960ies TV series The Outer Limits — both written by Ellison — Ellison sued Cameron. Ellison settled out of court and the film's end credits now include the simple statement: "Acknowledgment to the works of Harlan Ellison." Not all feel this was fair to Cameron and that the original stories bore little resemblance to the Terminator movie. Also, the all powerful, human-hating computer, AM, in I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream, is somewhat like Skynet in the Terminator series. But other authors have published similar ideas.

29 posted on 03/16/2008 9:57:22 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: RightWhale
Not surprisingly, Williams and Ellison are buddies.

Watch the trailer.

30 posted on 03/16/2008 10:02:48 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: RightWhale
He is in too much of a hurry to do that right. His ability to dismiss people is unrivaled and for that alone he should be remembered with a statue in front of the local Barnes & Noble. Robin Williams might be in the same league, but Ellison in his prime was untouchable.

It really depends on the situation. In public, Ellison can be incredibly fast tempered and dismissive, and he will NEVER allow someone to submit any sort of a manuscript directly to him. He does this to keep from being accused of stealing ideas for stories. On the other hand, when he's involved in literary work, like writing workshops, I've heard nothing be good things about him. It just depends on the settings.

I believe that another reason that he doesn't suffer fans well in public comes from a story he once told about Robert Heinlein. Heinlein was affected VERY adversely when he learned that Charles Manson "credited" RAH's "Stranger in a Strange Land" with some of the ideas behind how he ran "the family." The story goes that it greatly troubled Heinlein until his death. This is one of the reasons that Ellison dismisses fans so quickly, though sometimes you could see his ego stroked by adulation.

Of course I could be completely wrong now. Those observations were from when I was following Ellison's career and work, which quite frankly, I haven't done in some 20 years.

Mark

31 posted on 03/16/2008 1:01:47 PM PDT by MarkL
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To: MarkL

Ellison hasn’t been so active in the past 20 years, so his career is pretty well printed and bound. I find Stephen King and Ray Bradbury to be worth listening to, and Ellison’s few gems astonishing but hardly didactic.


32 posted on 03/16/2008 1:11:24 PM PDT by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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