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Vanity, Army Nat'l Guard question
self | today | grame

Posted on 02/04/2008 7:23:09 AM PST by grame

My son is schedule to leave for Iraq in 20 days. He has spent the last 3 weeks in advanced training. First day in training they say they have none of his re-up paperwork. He has been getting paid for the last 4 months so someone knows he's there. He re-uped for 6 years with a 15,000 bonus. since they've lost his papers they signed him for 1 year and no bonus. They say it is his fault. We have the recruiters signature and the validation number for the 15,000. Where do we go from here? He is beside himself trying to reconcile this at a time when he should be spending carefree time with his wife. I don't know where to start to help him. any suggesstions?


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1 posted on 02/04/2008 7:23:10 AM PST by grame
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To: grame
Why don’t you take care of it and let him spend time with his wife?
If you have all the documentation, I don’t understand why there is a problem.
Go back to the recruiter that originally signed him up for the six years and ask for help.
2 posted on 02/04/2008 7:31:45 AM PST by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: grame; Arrowhead1952

Any advice here Arrowhead?


3 posted on 02/04/2008 7:34:54 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Even my tagline is sad....I can't stand ANY of the candidates!)
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To: grame
I sympathize. It must be hard turning up that documentation.

For example, John Kerry has had a heck of a time producing his discharge papers.

4 posted on 02/04/2008 7:34:56 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: svcw

If the recruiter is of no help, then contact an attorney asap. They should not be able to get away with this BS.


5 posted on 02/04/2008 7:35:15 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: grame

First of all, may your son stay safe and please thank him for serving our country.

I don’t think he needs to be worried now and as you said he should take this time to be with his family and relax. It should all work out after they wade through the snafu. If not, ask his congressional representative’s office for help.

A week or so before I left for basic training, I was stopped by a cop for speeding. When I asked him for a break because I was leaving for the Army he told me not to worry, I won’t need a driver’s license where I was going. He was right. LOL


6 posted on 02/04/2008 7:37:40 AM PST by Cagey (Somewhere in South America, a village is getting a shipment of "19-0" T-shirts.)
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To: SoldierDad

I called an atty this morning, one I know is a Nat’l Guard guy. But he has yet to return my call. We do have all the paperwork. He has been working on this for the last 3 weeks, but with the training, it doesn’t leave much time to follow up. Spence is calling his ‘career counselor’(don’t know if that is exactly what he called it) and then he said I could start calling anyone I wanted to.

I knew if I ask here, I would get help and encouragement.


7 posted on 02/04/2008 7:41:50 AM PST by grame (and the greatest of these is Love.)
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To: grame

I’m glad to know that you are on top of this. Stay with it and don’t give up. Your son deserves that and more. God Bless him for his service and sacrifice.


8 posted on 02/04/2008 7:46:16 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; grame; Old Sarge
Old Sarge may have more advice, but he should have his unit contact the military pay (MIL PAY) section and find out why nothing has been done.

since they've lost his papers they signed him for 1 year and no bonus.

Did he keep his copy? The unit should have given him a copy and he should have one in his 201 (personnel) file.

9 posted on 02/04/2008 7:49:15 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 ("It may take another Jimmy Carter to get another Ronald Reagan". Rush Limbaugh Jan. 14, 2008)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Thanks!


10 posted on 02/04/2008 7:51:48 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Even my tagline is sad....I can't stand ANY of the candidates!)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Thank you. We have sent all the papers(53 pages we scanned and emailed). But because my son sent them from his email address, I’m not sure who they went to. I realize that this will probably all get worked out, but they needed that money back in July when he signed up, and now they need it even more, to reconcile some things before he leaves.

He is frustrated but this morning he said to me, “Mom, I know I’m supposed to go.” He has told me before he needs to go to take care of the guys under him.

We are so proud of him. He has been GI Joe since he was three years old.

It hurts to see him frustrated over a ‘paper trail mistake’.


11 posted on 02/04/2008 8:03:49 AM PST by grame (and the greatest of these is Love.)
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One year from right now he will be in Iraq and eligible to reenlist again. This time it will be tax Free.


12 posted on 02/04/2008 8:04:35 AM PST by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW , Vote Hunter in the Primary)
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To: martin_fierro

???


13 posted on 02/04/2008 8:09:17 AM PST by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: grame; Kathy in Alaska; MEG33; txradioguy; Diva Betsy Ross; beachn4fun; StarCMC; Lady Jag; ...

I had several browsers open, and failed to tell you to tell your son “Thanks for his service”. I also wanted to ping some of the Canteen regulars since they may have more advice on this matter.

He may want to go see the Jag Officer for help in this matter too. Losing the paperwork is always a unit’s easy out, but this is ridiculous.


14 posted on 02/04/2008 8:10:52 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 ("It may take another Jimmy Carter to get another Ronald Reagan". Rush Limbaugh Jan. 14, 2008)
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To: CPT Clay
well, originally that is why the recruiter said his bonus was being held up, because they would issue it to him while he was in Iraq and it would be tax free. He told her he would gladly pay the taxes, because he needed the money. I have pretty much drained my resources keeping him fluid, while we wait, but nothing came. Then they said his security clearance was being held up. I said baloney, it hasn’t been that long since he got back from Kosovo, nothing had happened to change it. He has been getting the run around for months, then when he got to Attebury they said he wasn’t even in the system. He’s pretty much heard it all.
15 posted on 02/04/2008 8:15:17 AM PST by grame (and the greatest of these is Love.)
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Who are “they”? If it is a recruiting station, try to solve the problem thru the recruiter’s chain of command, If it’s a retention NCO in his Guard unit, contact the unit Commander and go up from there. If those measures fail, contact the U.S. Army Recruiting Command Inspector General (IG)(502) 223-3735, or failing all else contact your Congress critter to file a congressional inquiry.


16 posted on 02/04/2008 8:25:25 AM PST by TADSLOS (Islam is a fascist ideology practiced through a cult and packaged as a religion of peace.)
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To: TADSLOS

THANK YOU. I had already looked up the numbers for all the ‘critters’, but that chain of command thing is what I knew I was missing. I will fwd that info to him immediately.


17 posted on 02/04/2008 8:32:40 AM PST by grame (and the greatest of these is Love.)
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To: svcw

First off he should not have signed the 1 year deal if he had a 6 year deal in place. But here’s what I’d do, first contact the Command Sgt Major of the unit, he takes care of the enlisted and has direct communication to commander. Second, write your congreeman and explain the situation, his/her staff can request a clarification from the Army. If all else fails there is a procedure your son can use to request a correction to his records from the Board of Corrections Military Records (BCMR). I used that procedure in 86 to pick up a bonus that I could have applied for in 81 when I was deployed but my unit never got the message so we didn’t know about it.


18 posted on 02/04/2008 8:38:56 AM PST by dblshot
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He did not sign the one year. He doesn’t even know where it originated yet. The farther this goes the crazier it gets.
19 posted on 02/04/2008 8:55:53 AM PST by grame (and the greatest of these is Love.)
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To: grame; Arrowhead1952; TADSLOS; CPT Clay

Thanx for the PING, Sarmajor.

Grame, there have been several good suggestions here, and as a reformed (former) Recruiter, I’ll add these:

Contact the recruiter’s Area Manager. That person has the responsibility to see that his peoples’ enlistments are valid. The AM has a vested interest, as it’s on his name as well.

According to what you’ve told me, the recruiter’s name is on the contract, your son’s name is on the contract, so it’s binding on the part of the service. That means, if you get stonewalled, you can walk into the IG’s office and utter those two most dreaded of words: FRAUDULENT ENLISTMENT. That code phrase is GUARANTEED to get Recruiter Command’s attention.

What CPT Clay said is true: if you can last the siege, your boy can re-up in theater and get it all tax free. There were a lot of troops I went with who took advantage of that (including one ex-recruiter who knew how to hustle the system).

You saved your packet, so that’s one in your corner. Maintain that documentation, and don’t lose it.

Your son chose to enter the service, and he did so under an agreement in good fauith. There is NOTHING wrong with holding ig Army’s feet to the flames to make them honor their commitment to his commitment. Keep at it, and keep us posted!


20 posted on 02/04/2008 9:00:50 AM PST by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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