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How best to Clean up the Internet
2008-01-28 | Mike Acker

Posted on 01/28/2008 7:51:47 AM PST by Mike Acker

How best to Clean up the Internet

We all know this is a job that has be be attended: we have got phishers, pharmers, hackers, bank robbers, sleazes sending out RATS and robots, taking over our computers, stealing our identity, credit cards, bank funds, and birth days, plotting conspiracy, and sending sleaze

over OUR network

In his book "Geekonomics: The Real Cost of Insecure Software" David Rice describes our condition as a "market failure": the current Market Incentives are not producing results most beneficial to society.

David rails over "insecure software" and that is certainly a big part of our network troubles today, but he also touches on a lack of responsibility as also being a factor. Interestingly Bruce Scheneier had made the same comment as well

who is responsible for Network and Computer Security? Microsoft? Software vendors? computer owners and operators? Network ISPs? Anti-virus research companies? Banks and merchants? Everyone?

This is a topic I think merits discussion, but more: we will need to act on this before the hackers render our network useless.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: hacking; phishing; privacy; security
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1 posted on 01/28/2008 7:51:48 AM PST by Mike Acker
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To: Mike Acker
we have got phishers, pharmers, hackers, bank robbers, sleazes sending out RATS and robots, taking over our computers, stealing our identity, credit cards, bank funds, and birth days, plotting conspiracy, and sending sleaze

None of those things have ever been a big problem for me. Besides, who determines what is conspiracy being plotted or sleaze? I think i'm safest acting as my own big brother.
2 posted on 01/28/2008 7:59:23 AM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: cripplecreek

How about leaving the internet alone? Did that even occur to you?


3 posted on 01/28/2008 8:04:10 AM PST by Raymann
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To: Mike Acker

somebody is stealing your birthday ???


4 posted on 01/28/2008 8:04:15 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Mike Acker
If Ford had all these problems all day every day, eventually people would quit buying Ford vehicles and buy something else.

But Microsoft can totally not care about security and leave all the holes open for years and years, and people will still buy it, while claiming that anyone who doesn't is "gay".

5 posted on 01/28/2008 8:06:41 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Mike Acker
First we shoot all the people that put up "pop up poster ads" ans you've won ads.
6 posted on 01/28/2008 8:06:58 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Mike Acker; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

7 posted on 01/28/2008 8:08:28 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Raymann

That’s my point. I’ll be my own big brother.


8 posted on 01/28/2008 8:11:25 AM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: Mike Acker
I think any talk of "who is responsible" for the internet, and how to clean it up is just trying to disguise attempts at control and world-wide socialism.

Forget about it. If you can't control your own computer, then you shouldn't have one.

9 posted on 01/28/2008 8:12:07 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Mike Acker

Why must we choke the life out of everything in this world?


10 posted on 01/28/2008 8:12:39 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
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To: Raymann; cripplecreek
This is not about sleaze or porn. It’s not about regulating content. It is about ILLEGAL activity such as phishing. It is about things that should be illegal such as malware.

Frankly I could not care less about porn or “offensive content”. If someone doesn’t like it they don’t have to look at it (unless malware pushes them there against their will). These are legitimate LEGAL issues.

11 posted on 01/28/2008 8:15:10 AM PST by Artemis Webb (RON PAUL: "It will be a little bit better now with the democrats now in charge of oversight ")
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To: ShadowAce
I think any talk of "who is responsible" for the internet, and how to clean it up is just trying to disguise attempts at control and world-wide socialism.

Forget about it. If you can't control your own computer, then you shouldn't have one.

Ditto that!

12 posted on 01/28/2008 8:15:15 AM PST by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn’t make him my enemy." -RR)
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To: TChris

I hate these newbies that come on here and try to get us to favor censorship.


13 posted on 01/28/2008 8:16:48 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: cripplecreek
None of those things have ever been a big problem for me.

Me neither. I've done many transactions over the net and have never had a problem.

Of course, when I receive junk emails generated from somewhere in Russia telling me that my debit card needs to be re-activated, I promptly delete them. Sadly, I'll bet too many gullible people follow the instructions.

14 posted on 01/28/2008 8:17:03 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Mike Acker

Part of the problem is that many Internet users don’t use or know how to use even the most basic protections. I have helped many friends and family members with computer issues and have have frequently found out of date anti virus programs, hundreds of pieces of spyware and malware and no firewall installed. This would be no different than leaving your house unlocked, your garage open and the key in your car and then wonder why you were robbed. I have recently started using a USB device that secures my computer against hackers and phishing when accessing my financial sites. This is in addition to running a top rated anti-virus/anti spyware software and a third party firewall.


15 posted on 01/28/2008 8:19:17 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Mike Acker; ShadowAce; Constitution Day; Ernest_at_the_Beach
How best to Clean up the Internet

Clean up? Naaah.

Just needs a little Eau de Toilette.

16 posted on 01/28/2008 8:21:07 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: The Great RJ

What is the brand name of the USB device?


17 posted on 01/28/2008 8:22:49 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Mike Acker
Interesting. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Why is it the Internet needs to be policed, or software vendors need to make sure the end user doesn’t download malicious software - again, if you’re dumb enough to go to the more seedier places the Internet has to offer, you’re going to get an infection - much like patronizing a nickle hooker to later find out you contracted HIV.

Whenever I hear “Internet” and “security” outside of business, I think of big government oversight, restrictions, filtering, and censorship. Think of the Internet as a library; you go there to seek information, read, educate yourself, and discuss your new knowledge with your friends over a cup of joe.

Take that same library, the librarian (metaphor for government) has a real problem with say,”Catcher in the Rye” or maybe she’s a liberal and copies of Rush Limbaugh’s “See I Told You So” is always mysteriously checked-out, then are you so willing to allow someone to do something for you, that you should be allowed to choose for yourself?

Like most other errorsions of freedom we’ve endured the past forty, or fifty, years, they start off with the basic precept that it is for the protection of (insert gender, group, or ethnicity here) and they never intend on hurting the “law abiding citizen” - however, we know that is the big lie.

The use of the Internet is not a right, but the information on it has the right to be disseminated by those authors who wish to do so. We all share in the burden of making things more secure, business has a due diligence they owe their shareholders, government has a due diligence to protect our personal information, and we all have a due diligence to protect ourselves.

No matter what limitations, controls, or censoring occurs on the web, it will never eliminate the need for personal responsibility. One only needs to look at the billions of dollars we spend each year on security, and amazingly, we are no more secure than we were when ALGORE created the Internet.

18 posted on 01/28/2008 8:22:52 AM PST by Shortwave (Science is best used to slow down GOREBAL Warning than Global Warming.)
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To: Raymann
look at the condition that thing is in and then tell me it's "OK as is"

you couldn't sell that on 42d street

19 posted on 01/28/2008 8:28:01 AM PST by Mike Acker
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To: Mike Acker
who is responsible for Network and Computer Security?

Who would I trust to secure the internet? Microsoft? Hahaha! Govt.? Oh hell no! The UN? Even worse than all the rest!

The diffuse, unfocused way it's been handled so far is better than any alternative.

A lot of hackers are part of international crime syndicates, making billions from illegal activity.

You could ask a more fundamental question- how do we get people to behave themselves?

20 posted on 01/28/2008 8:28:06 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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