The Hobbit Hole XXXV - ...is Water Hot that smokes and steams.

[HairOfTheDog]

Welcome to The Hobbit Hole!

• First thread: New Zealander builds Hobbit hole
• Second thread: The New Hobbit Hole
• Third thread: The Hobbit Hole III - Journey to the Cross-roads! (Congratulations, we filled it up!)
• Fourth Thread: The Hobbit Hole IV - The Road Goes Ever On...
• Fifth Thread: The Hobbit Hole V - Where Many Paths and Errands Meet...
• Sixth Thread: The Hobbit Hole VI - And Whither Then? I Cannot Say...
• Seventh Thread: The Hobbit Hole VII - But not yet weary are our feet...
• Eighth Thread: The Hobbit Hole VIII - Still round the corner we may meet...
• Ninth Thread: The Hobbit Hole IX - A sudden tree or standing stone
• Tenth Thread: The Hobbit Hole X - That none have seen but we alone.
      Eleventh Thread: Wedding Edition: The Hobbit Hole XI - No One Admitted Except on Wedding Business!
• Twelfth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XII - Tree and flower and leaf and grass
• Thirteenth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XIII - Let them pass! Let them pass!
• Fourteenth thread: The Hobbit Hole XIV - Hill and Water Under Sky
• Fifteenth thread: The Hobbit Hole XV - Pass them by! Pass them by!
• Sixteenth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XVI - Still round the corner there may wait...
• Seventeenth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XVII - A new road or a secret gate...
• Eighteenth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XVIII - Though we pass them by today...
• Nineteenth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XIX - Tomorrow we may come this way...
• Twentieth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XX - And take the hidden paths that run...
• Twenty-first Thread: The Hobbit Hole XXI - ...Towards the Moon or to the Sun.
• Twenty-second Thread: The Hobbit Hole XXII - ...Apple, thorn, and nut and sloe
• Twenty-third Thread: The Hobbit Hole XXIII - Let them go! Let them go!
• Twenty-Fourth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XXIV - Sand and Stone and Pool and Dell...
• Twenty-Fifth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XXV - Fare you well! Fare you well!
• Twenty-Sixth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XXVI - Home is behind, the world ahead
• Twenty-Seventh Thread: The Hobbit Hole XXVII - And there are many paths to tread
• Twenty-Eighth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XXVIII - Through shadows to the edge of night
• Twenty-Nineth Thread: The Hobbit Hole XXIX - Until the stars are all alight
• Thirtieth thread: The Hobbit Hole XXX - Then world behind and home ahead...
• Thirty-First ThreadThe Hobbit Hole XXXI - Mawwage is what bwings us togethew today!
• Thirty-second thread: The Hobbit Hole XXXII - Sweet is the sound of falling rain
• Thirty-Third thread (Our coming-of-age thread): The Hobbit Hole XXXIII - And the brook that leaps from hill to plain...
• Thirty-fourth thread: The Hobbit Hole XXXIV - But better than rain or rippling streams...

Sing hey! for the bath at close of day
That washes the weary mud away!
A loon is he that will not sing:
O! Water Hot is anoble thing!

O! Sweet is the sound of falling rain.
and the brook that leaps from hill to plain;
but better than rain or rippling streams
is Water Hot that smokes and steams.

O! Water cold we may pour at need
down a thirsty throat and be glad indeed;
but better is Beer, if drink we lack,
and Water Hot poured down the back.

O! Water is fair that leaps on high
in a fountain white beneath the sky;
but never did fountain sound so sweet
as splashing Hot Water with my feet!

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[SuziQ]

Heh, I got real good juicy looking veins, but lab folks sometimes have problems because they’re pretty deep.

[RosieCotton]

Heh...except he thinks overpopulation is the problem here, too. If we didn’t have as many people, we wouldn’t have the same demand for fuel, hence the problem would go away.

I pointed out that the fuel we used has changed before (i.e. very few in the US heat with coal anymore), and he says no, it’s just moved to the power plants so we can use electricity. Pointing out that this depends on where said power plant exists and that even the power plants have adjusted to use new means...that got me nowhere ‘cause I don’t have statistics memorized.

I’m just not good at it. And when I *know* I’m right and can’t prove it, it ticks me off. ;-)

[JenB]

Well, he’s right that we do depend on coal-powered plants for a big percentage of our electricity. But that’s more efficient use of coal than sending it to individual houses.

You should agree that we have a power problem and say that means we need to build hundred of nuclear power plants. I bet his head would explode.

[TalonDJ]

Counter like this. Fuel use is all cost per watt and how usable it is. Coal is cheap but no good in cars so it went to power plants. It is the cheapest things around. Nuclear is nice and all but costs more. We don’t see much nuclear because the cost is high. There are perfectly good plans laying around for things like space based power arrays beaming energy to earth. Decades old technology. The only reason it has not been done yet is all cost. So far it is about twice as expensive as nuclear. If the cost of energy goes up there are technologies, like that one, just waiting to be used. Same with oil running out. There are other things that will do the job but they cost more. When the price goes up high enough those things will be brought out. Engineers are smart. Give them a problem and they will solve it. Most of the problems around power are already solved and solved and solved again and the fluctuations of the market dictate what solution we use. No fluctuation will make the problem explode. There are a zillion and 1 ways to make power. There are only so many ways to make it cheap right now. When one way fails us the industrial and intellectual might of the USA will fall on the next best way and that method will come into it’s own. Your hear lots about ‘this new discovery might be the wave of the future’ all the time and then, nothing. Those things get put in the shelf because we don’t NEED them yet. And until the oil goes sky high and or runs out we will not need them. The fact of the mater is that any one with a machineshop and some smarts can make power generating devices of all sorts. Google homemade wind and water turbines sometime. It is really easy. The tides for example are still a vast untaped power source. It is just that until current methods of generating power are no longer workable some things that require a lot of startup effort, like tide power, will never be used.

That or you can just point out that Korea and other places in the far east have WAY higher pop density and they are doing just fine. Or that first world countries have just about all started to level off or decline in their birth rates. Self correcting problem.

[TalonDJ]

The ONLY reason the US is mostly coal in it’s power is that it is cheap as heck. Ok, the enviro crud with nukes is there too, but if nukes were cheaper that would not have stopped anyone. The US just has gobs of coal, when we run out, we also have gobs of uranium.

[TalonDJ]

Mmmm pain pills....

Prayers!
Get some rest.

[darkangel82]

*snickers*

[Lil'freeper]

Which Lost Character Are You?

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[RosieCotton]

Eek, Lil'! Not Benry!

I got the hobbit. Not sure how ta take that. ;-)

Which Lost Character Are You?

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[Lil'freeper]

Mine’s pretty accurate so far as I grew up under a rock in the desert... which isn’t all that different than an island.

[RosieCotton]

Engineers are smart. Give them a problem and they will solve it.

That was my biggest point. ;-) But hey, if the argument comes up again, maybe I'll manage to remember some of this advice!

It started with biodiesel, which I think is a cool idea in concept, but if *everyone* was using it, we'd need a lot more crop land and such. It's cheap right now, and a good way of reusing old oil for some of the few who are doing it, but it'd be different if it was the main source of fuel.

And then the argument went downhill from there.

[RosieCotton]

I’ve never been hooked on heroin. Hones’.

[300winmag]

We have Ratatouille, too, so we might watch that tonight, before plunging back into "Babylon 5"

I watched "Babylon 5" when it came out on TV. It was so engrossing, I invested a lot of emotional energy in it. I'll pass on the DVDs. I just want to collect fun and fluff on DVD.

That's why I appreciate the ability to download current movies (despite questionable image quality and legality), because I can decide whether to spend my cash on the DVD when it comes out. I've already seen a screener for the new Stargate SG1 movie, and will buy the DVD. The same for "National Treasure". I don't like Nicolas Cage, but I enjoy the mix of American history and conspiracy theory in the series. Big fat hint at the end of this movie says there's a third one already in the planning stage.

[300winmag]

It started with biodiesel, which I think is a cool idea in concept, but if *everyone* was using it, we'd need a lot more crop land and such. It's cheap right now, and a good way of reusing old oil for some of the few who are doing it, but it'd be different if it was the main source of fuel.

The papers here had an article on a guy who made his biodiesel from free used grease from fastfood joints. The state of Michigan rewarded him by fining him for using untaxed motor vehicle fuel. While the feds may not care, the state demands that they get their tax on each gallon of "diesel" he made.

This is how the RATs reward people who "act green".

[darkangel82]

The RATs run gov’t like an extortion racket.

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

Next time he starts talking about overpopulation being a problem, ask him which people he wants to kill, or keep from breeding. Or, alternatively, ask him when he's going to volunteer to commit suicide.

Lurking inside everyone who complains about overpopulation is a eugenicist who only wants to control the breeding of "those people". IMHO.

[g'nad]

The RATs run gov’t like an extortion racket.

cuz tuh them, it is...

[g'nad]

Lurking inside everyone who complains about overpopulation is a eugenicist who only wants to control the breeding of "those people". IMHO.

profound statement... I've thought that fer a long time... just never phrased it suh pretty...

good fodder fer a tagline...

[darkangel82]

There’s a lot of very thinly-veiled racism in most of what they say.

[darkangel82]

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