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Human Role Not Ruled Out in Tiger Attack
MyWay/Drudge ^ | 12-26-2007 | robertson

Posted on 12/27/2007 10:18:04 AM PST by wardaddy

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - The big cat exhibit at the San Francisco Zoo was cordoned off as a crime scene Wednesday as investigators tried to determine whether a Siberian tiger that killed a visitor escaped from its high-walled pen on its own or got help from someone, inadvertent or otherwise.

Police shot the 300-pound animal to death after a Christmas Day rampage that began when the tiger escaped from an enclosure surrounded by what zoo officials said are an 18-foot wall and a 20-foot moat. Two brothers who also were visiting the zoo were severely mauled.

Police Chief Heather Fong said the department has opened a criminal investigation to "determine if there was human involvement in the tiger getting out or if the tiger was able to get out on its own."

Police said they have not ruled anything out, including whether the escape was the result of carelessness or a deliberate act.

(AP) Tatiana, a female Siberian tiger that killed one person and injured two others, is seen in the lion... Full Image

Fong said officers were gathering evidence from the tiger's enclosure as well as accounts from witnesses and others.

One zoo official insisted the tiger did not get out through an open door and must have climbed or leaped out. But Jack Hanna, former director of the Columbus Zoo and a frequent guest on TV, said such a leap would be an unbelievable feat, and "virtually impossible."

"There's something going on here. It just doesn't feel right to me," he said. "It just doesn't add up to me."

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.myway.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: humancompassion; maul; sf; tiger; zoo
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To: Mamzelle
Reminds me of the caterwauling here on FR over a kid who got herself bit by some rodent at a zoo, and her parents called for a rabies exam which meant the animal had to die. There were many on FR who positvely wanted to beat the crap out of the kid or deny her the test. This for some vermin not remotely endangered.

Holy Mischaracterizations Batman!

It wasn't one animal that had to be put down, it was ALL of them, since they didn't know which animal bit her. Even though the chance of rabies was extremely low in a controlled zoo environment, and even though she could still have the shots as a precaution, and the animals would not have had to die.

201 posted on 12/27/2007 1:50:00 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Gator101
Marlin Perkins would have had Jim Fowler climb in there to test how high a tiger could jump when taunted and described the ensuing action to us all.

But first, he'd make one of those incredibly awkward segways to talk about how the jumping tiger reminded him of Prudential Insurance!

Regards,
GtG

202 posted on 12/27/2007 1:50:48 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: biscuit jane
“...It’s not known why the tiger singled out the three visitors or why she tracked down the two wounded victims, apparently ignoring other zoo patrons...”

'Cause that's what big cats do!

Didja ever see a video of lionesses chasing impalas? They'll go right by one that AIN'T running away to snatch the one she has her eye on!

203 posted on 12/27/2007 1:52:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

LOL!

“Well, Jim, you just never know when you’re going to need life insurance, especially if you work for me.”


204 posted on 12/27/2007 1:53:05 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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To: wardaddy
I heard the dead guy's Latin Kings father on the radio a couple of times today.

You could hear the $$$$$ signs in his voice.

He said that it didn't matter if his kid was tormenting the tiger, it was the zoo's fault.

205 posted on 12/27/2007 1:53:26 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Neither one of the parents knew where Carlos was Christmas day....doesn't sound like an innocent visit to the zoo.
206 posted on 12/27/2007 1:55:37 PM PST by Tadhg
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To: JJR RNCH

bump for later


207 posted on 12/27/2007 1:56:00 PM PST by JJR RNCH (Your mother doesn't work here!! Clean up after YOURSELF.)
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To: All
You won't believe this:

The moat surrounding the enclosure from which a 350-pound tiger escaped on Christmas Day was actually far shorter than San Francisco Zoo officials thought and what national standards recommend, authorities said today.

The wall was only 12.5 feet high. Forget the dangling teen theory...the tiger could have jumped out flat footed.

Link

208 posted on 12/27/2007 1:56:37 PM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: cinives
I hear you. Animals can do a lot of inconceivable things that we humans can not. I guess the Tiger had a key then...
209 posted on 12/27/2007 1:57:45 PM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I heard the dead guy's Latin Kings father on the radio a couple of times today. You could hear the $$$$$ signs in his voice.

Well, if I ever sat on such a jury, he'd have to answer two questions... First, if you were so close, why were you not even aware of what your son's Christmas day plans were, and second... how exactly has his death cost you several million dollars?

210 posted on 12/27/2007 1:57:47 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Royal Wulff
The moat surrounding the enclosure from which a 350-pound tiger escaped on Christmas Day was actually far shorter than San Francisco Zoo officials thought

Does no one there have a tape measure? Did we just eyeball it?

211 posted on 12/27/2007 1:58:56 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Tijeras_Slim

INDEED!!

It went out with the mail!


212 posted on 12/27/2007 1:59:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

- a trench that is 14 feet deep...”
Is there any WATER in it?

Someone here said 4’ of water, but no way to verify any info right now. Maybe the zoo web site but ...???


213 posted on 12/27/2007 1:59:41 PM PST by biscuit jane
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To: LouAvul

You can’t make anything idiot proof. The world always builds a better idiot.


214 posted on 12/27/2007 2:00:29 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: Royal Wulff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pDGsTYCqU&feature=related

Little Dillan learned not to tease a tiger


215 posted on 12/27/2007 2:01:57 PM PST by hippyhater
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To: biscuit jane
Pardon me Roy; is that the cat that chewed your new shoes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00giGIsauiQ

216 posted on 12/27/2007 2:02:01 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
I may have responded too quickly to you before...

Not a problem. In fact you were right, I did not know what happened to be factual. Newspaper reports are rather unreliable and in a case as unusual as this the mind tends to run ahead of the known issues as it blithely fills in the blanks.

Regards,
GtG

217 posted on 12/27/2007 2:04:35 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: wardaddy

It isn’t that they deserved to die for throwing rocks and sticks at the animal, otherwise known as taunting; but I can’t help but think these victims were not children, they were teenagers who should have known better.


218 posted on 12/27/2007 2:04:41 PM PST by ariamne (Proud shieldmaiden of the infidel--never forget, never forgive 9/11)
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To: HairOfTheDog; All

from JSOnline article-

“When members of the zoo staff realized a tiger was loose, he said, “the zoo shooting team was assembling,” with tranquilizer guns. “But when police saw the weapon, they took it away. They had taken control of the scene.”


The article is not clear as to the logisitcs. I am not convinced of Gray’s statements about the tranquilizing.

“The zoo team was assembling...”

= they had not even gotten a bead on the animal yet ? Meanwhile people are being stalked by the tiger?

and the cops arrived and shot the tiger, hence

“taking control of the scene...” .

No where is it reported that the cops took away the tranq gun and then killed the tiger or that the tiger had been tranqed at any time.


219 posted on 12/27/2007 2:07:59 PM PST by biscuit jane
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To: Royal Wulff

Holy cow! I wonder how long a stretched-out tiger is? Seems it would be easy for a large animal like that to jump 12 feet.

An interesting snip from that link:

“An examination of the tiger’s body also revealed a significant amount of concrete in its back paws, according to a source close to the investigation. That may indicate the tiger used its back claws to help push it up the grotto wall.”


220 posted on 12/27/2007 2:08:16 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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