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Why do Apple customers care so much?
CNet News.com ^ | December 12, 2007 4:00 AM PST | by Tom Krazit

Posted on 12/12/2007 5:14:42 PM PST by Swordmaker

The question inevitably comes up when I meet people and they learn I write about Apple for a living: "So, what's that like?"

I usually answer, "It's crazy." There perhaps has never been a more interesting time to write about Apple and its growing impact on the computer, telecommunications, and music worlds. Unfortunately, it also means that I have to witness (and sometimes join) a daily descent into a pit of mudslinging.

Their size and degree of organization can be debated, and it's usually overstated. But there is no question that Macintosh users are by far the most passionate advocates for their products in the technology industry. And while such passion is remarkable and even moving, it can also be terribly disturbing.

Take a recent story I wrote, "Problems with the Mac promised land." The story was about how Apple sells the Mac as a computer that "just works" in its ubiquitous ad campaign comparing the Mac and the PC. But the Mac, like anything, is not immune to problems from time to time. Anyone who has followed Apple over the last couple of months knows that Leopard early adopters have run into a few issues, which we covered here and here.


Mac users line up to buy a copy
of Mac OS X Leopard in October.
(Credit: Tom Krazit/CNET News.com)

Nothing in the article suggested that Mac users are revolting against Leopard, or that serious Leopard glitches have knocked the Mac user base offline, or anything even close to that effect. The majority of the discussion in the Talkback section, however, descended into the usual Mac vs. PC flame war. In addition to attacking each other, several people took me to task, saying that since they had never had a problem with their Mac or with their Leopard installation, I was clearly manufacturing problems as part of a sinister plan to either attack the Mac and put Apple out of business at the bidding of Microsoft, or through some naked self-interest of both myself and CNET to generate page views.

This happens just about every time I write about Apple. In fairness, that aggressive behavior is not indicative of Mac users as a whole. But that very noisy, hardcore crowd distorts the issues and inflames the discussion, to the point where a rational look at Apple and its products becomes a quest to decide The World's One True Religion, which never seems to work out so well in the real world.

I think the roots of this zealotry go back to a time when Apple was on the ropes financially and someone who worked on a Mac was ridiculed by other computer users. Ten years ago, Mac users in the corporate world were viewed as rubes playing with "toys" not suitable for getting real work done, and there were plenty of people ready to remind the Mac community in not-so-subtle ways that the revolution promised in the 1980s by the original Macintosh was being fulfilled by Microsoft software.

Apple's response was to change the tone of the conversation, and it deliberately chose a spiritual motif for its message with the work started by Guy Kawasaki in the mid-1990s. Kawasaki originally worked at Apple in the mid-1980s in marketing, and was part of the team that introduced the Macintosh to the world before leaving in 1987.

When Kawasaki rejoined Apple in 1995, the company was probably at its lowest point. On his Web site, Kawasaki describes his role at Apple in the mid-1990s by saying, "My job on this tour of duty was to maintain and rejuvenate the Macintosh cult." There was a dedicated group out there who still believed in the Mac and its promise as an alternative to Windows, but they weren't organized, and their morale was low.

In an inteview this week, Kawasaki recalled signing up 44,000 hardcore Mac users in 1995 on a listserv named, quite appropriately, "EvangeList." "All I would do is disseminate good news," Kawasaki said. He wanted his listserv to be a counterpoint to the torrents of bad news about the Mac, exemplified by a 1996 BusinessWeek cover story about Apple titled, "The Fall of an American Icon." For its cover art, the magazine placed an Apple icon in front of a black, funereal background.

Kawasaki's idea was to give Mac users hope, that they were not alone, and that they were on the right side of history. Hope is a powerful thing to someone at the end of their rope, and while that's perhaps overstating it a bit, that's how many Mac users felt in those years.

"It's almost like a religious experience in that you feel like you have to tell everyone you know in an effort to 'save them.' It's crazy, and I never understood those people but now I am one," said Doug Otto, a News.com reader, vice president of systems engineering for Govstar and a Sacramento, Calif., resident.


Some Apple fans will line up in the cold
just to be one of the first to
enter a new retail store.
(Credit: Caroline McCarthy/CNET News.com)

The trouble is that most people don't like cults; they associate them with Charles Manson or Red Sox fans. Sure, you may believe you have all the answers. But there are a lot of people who automatically tune out the incessant preaching of a zealot. With the rise of the Internet, it became much easier to preach that gospel far and wide and anonymously.

"Like anything people are passionate about--sports, politics, religion--there are going to be some people who are goofy about it and don't have that thing in their brain that tells them they've stepped over the edge from 'fan' to 'fanatic'," said John Moltz, the editor of Crazy Apple Rumors Site and perhaps the best source of comic relief in the Apple universe.

Since it's a two-party world, however, many of those evangelists combined their love for the Mac with their hatred of Microsoft, much like Republicans attack Democrats when Democrats are in charge, only to find themselves on the defensive when the sides switch. Windows users, who had almost forgotten about the Mac, initially laughed at Mac users and their intense love for a plastic cube of electronics. But then, as Apple starting gaining market share and increasing respect for its design chops, they started to fight back.

Last year, Moltz created the "Artie MacStrawman" character as a symbol of those counterattacks on Mac users, as an allegory for the "strawman" theory of debate that intentionally exaggerates an opponent's position to make it look more ridiculous. Many of those who criticize Mac users often come back to the whole "those crazy Apple cult people" thing, in that just because one Apple fan "mindlessly worships Steve Jobs" and "blindly buys anything Apple releases no matter how dumb and stupid and dumb it is," they all do.

But let's be honest: we've all seen that person in action in discussion forums on this site and many others. "Windows users aren't put off by the 'depth of passion' that Mac users have. They are put off by the sheer futility of trying to make a rational argument with someone devoid of rational thought," said Ken Webber, another News.com reader.

This "debate" has been polluting the Internet for more than a decade, but Apple is no longer a company to be laughed at. It's selling more and more Macs to first-time Mac users. College campuses and hipster coffee shops are bastions of backlit Apple logos. Even businesses, long the last line of defense against the encroachment of the Mac, are changing their mind as programs like Boot Camp give Mac users a way to gain access to corporate applications developed for Windows. And as we start doing more and more work over the Internet, rather than on our desktop software, the compatibility issue becomes less and less relevant.

Yet the desire to be separate continues. Hank Stuever of The Washington Post bemoaned the trendy Apple user in a December 9 story about the Apple retail experience. "The demi-privacy of it, the clubby feeling--I know that you know that I know that we know and love Macs like nobody else does--is fading away."

Tuesday morning, I posted a short item to my blog asking for contributions for this story. I received about 50 e-mails in about 50 minutes before I had to plead for a halt. The basic question I sent to those who wrote in was, "Why are Mac users so passionate about Apple?"

The responses were similar. Mac users feel an affinity to both their machines and their fellow users that the rest of the world simply doesn't share. For some, it's the emphasis on design, both in hardware and software. For others, it's the way Apple focuses on applications that make it easier for them to be creative.


Allen Paltrow, 13, shows off his haircut in
front of the new Apple store on New York's
Fifth Avenue on opening day, May 2006.
(Credit: David Brabyn/Sipa Press)

"It's hard to put my own feelings into words on this, but that's just it: I have feelings for my Apple computer. Not in the creepy obsessive way or anything, but I genuinely love my iBook," said Ryan Spilken, a News.com reader.

Many see Apple's devotion to quality as a symbol of a bygone era for American business, and believe they have to support that kind of thinking. At some point, according to several readers, American industry became so bottom-line obsessed that it gambled that people would probably buy their products anyway if, little by little, they stripped out the costs, which would lower prices but in a fashion that also guaranteed more profit. We've seen this happen time after time in the automobile, consumer electronics, and computer industries, just to name a few, and while it works in the short-term, it doesn't end well.

But still others see the basic Mac vs. PC debate as the computer industry's version of Ford vs. Chevrolet, or Bud vs. Miller, or Michigan vs. Ohio State: people like to identify with groups and subcultures, and they do all sorts of ridiculous things in arbitrary support of whichever group they've chosen.

Computers are no longer a novelty. Style and usefulness count for so much more these days, since people have had a computer and know what they like and what they hate. And no company does style better than Apple.

Now that Apple has momentum on its side, does this finally mean we're nearing a day when we can have a coherent discussion of the pros and cons of Apple's approach to the computing world?

Probably not. After all, the Mac community has all the momentum on its side, and is unlikely to lift its foot off the gas now that more people are starting to come around to its point of view. And Apple hasn't stopped making Mac vs. PC ads.

But here's a challenge: if Mac users care about quality and excellent design, and Windows users are adamant about openness and ubiquity, let's apply those same standards to the discussion of the computer industry.

There are going to be Macs, and there are going to be PCs. This religious argument is very 1995; it's time to move on.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
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To: humblegunner
How to Use Apostrophes

You're killin' me.

How's that?

21 posted on 12/12/2007 7:28:22 PM PST by FredHead47 (Don’t cry for the elephant - while the girafee is on the grill)
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To: Swordmaker
But there are tools that are just joys to use... and then their are tools that are just a pain. The Mac is the latter.

You mean the former right? Because if you do mean the latter I think you may be having a crisis of faith. And if Swordmaker is having one, where does that leave me, one of his faithful followers? :) You know just keeping with the religious motif.
22 posted on 12/12/2007 7:29:45 PM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: bpjam

TV Guide’s free version of a tv schedule linked into a DVR system is superior to Tivo in that it doesn’t put a viewer on the hook for a monthly fee and the viewer’s watching/recording habits don’t get communicated back to the home office.

My Pioneer DVR system crashed by I liked that it came with TV Guide’s free schedule onscreen.


23 posted on 12/12/2007 7:53:59 PM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: FReepaholic
Now wait a minute. If you’re talking about the toy you use once a month, ya got me, but the guys who are out there tearin’ it up 5 to 6 days a week will stand in line for their favorite tool. I had a guy who was a carpenter all his life explain the proper hammer to me in such detail that I went right out, bought the tool he suggested and modified it to his specs. And yes, you’re damn right, he loved that hammer...as well as a bevy of additional tools.
24 posted on 12/12/2007 8:50:30 PM PST by Leonard210 (Tagline? We don't need no stinkin' tagliine.)
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To: lonestar67
There is no comparable state of failure in various human products. Somehow, Microsoft has convinced us all that the sluggishness and various compromises of their systems is necessary.\

To me, the fact that they have somehow managed to convince people that a modern computer system should crash or be rebooted regularly is one of microsoft's greatest sins. To me, a production server on an UPS should just run until you get a critial hardware failure. 

25 posted on 12/12/2007 9:11:18 PM PST by zeugma (Ubuntu - Linux for human beings)
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To: Leonard210
I had a guy who was a carpenter all his life explain the proper hammer to me in such detail that I went right out, bought the tool he suggested and modified it to his specs.

LOL. My mother-in-law was married to a master carpenter, so she has gained a fine appreciation for fine tools. One day we were hanging pictures around the house and she asked me for a hammer. I gave her a hammer that I had handy, and she handed it back saying, "that's not a hammer!"

 

26 posted on 12/12/2007 9:15:42 PM PST by zeugma (Ubuntu - Linux for human beings)
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To: zeugma
a modern computer system should crash or be rebooted regularly

My XP's don't crash or need to be rebooted. One's a Dell and three are Compaqs.

Just sayin'.

27 posted on 12/12/2007 11:10:29 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("Liberals want to save the world for the children they aren't having." -Mark Steyn)
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To: zeugma
Yes, seriously! This thing was a Plumb. Wood handle. Had to be the Plumb with the wood handle. The wood, ya see, kept it from slipping, but not on its own. It needed...help. First you rough it with sandpaper. Then you dimple it with a drill. About 3/16 inch bit. Sand a bit more. Leave the red color, just a light sanding. Next, strip several long pieces of duct tape just over 1/4 in wide. Apply to the bottom of the handle twisting and rolling so you build up a nice wad ‘cause you’re gonna swing that thing with such force while barely holding on with 4 fingers that you don’t want it to pass out of your hand.

It’s been so common for people of late to find a “catchy” phrase and simply repeat it without actually thinking about what it means. Of course a Mac is a “tool” but “How many people are in love with a drill”? Is he being isolated? Did they forget to open a window? Can’t he just look across the street? That guy on the roof. He’s in love with his tools. I guarantee it.

That hammer was a prize. It was prize when I bought it and a greater prize when it was modified. And once I learned to “swing” that baby, all the weird modifications made sense. Ya gotta sink a 16 penny nail in two or three whacks. Now ya just shoot ‘em in, but even a nail gun is a tool to be loved. Just work a few hours with a bad one and tell me that prized gun is just a “tool”. He was tryin’ to say, “They’re all the same.” Poor child.

BTW, I lost the hammer years ago. :-\ Still got the Mac :-)

28 posted on 12/12/2007 11:32:41 PM PST by Leonard210 (Tagline? We don't need no stinkin' tagliine.)
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To: Mr. Blonde
You mean the former...

Yes, I do. I was interupted just after I had edited the order for clarity and when I came back to the post, I completely forgot to change the following sentence. Or it was a Freudian slipknot.

29 posted on 12/13/2007 1:00:21 AM PST by Swordmaker (Entered and posted entirely with my iPhone.)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

Actually, no. The curiosity should lead people to ask “why” - not necessarily blindly convert. Just look at how many documentaries and movies have been made tied in with Charles Manson. It is curiosity. People really want to know “why”.


30 posted on 12/13/2007 5:16:55 AM PST by TheBattman (God, please help us to elect a Godly and patriotic man for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: FReepaholic
How many people do you know that are "in love" with their Black and Decker cordless drill?

Actually... a somewhat better analogy would be - do I know any mechanics who are fanatical about the brand of tools they buy and use. The answer is yes. I know some folks who will only buy certain brands of hand tools and power tools. They use very similar language to Mac fans - like: "They just work" "Rock solid" "I can count on them" "Have never let me down" etc. The point is - If someone can be (or even thinks they can be) more productive using an Apple - then don't disparage them. And if Macs are implemented in a situation and indeed more work gets done - then give credit where credit is due. Is marketing a factor - certainly. Look at how many folks won't buy anything but FORD automobiles, as idiotic as some might find that. And guess what - if someone is more confident in one "tool" over another - whether it be a truck, a wrench, a drill, or a computer, they WILL be more successful with it. A little disclaimer here - I posted this from my several year old Apple PowerMacintosh MDD Dual 1Ghz desktop, and will likely check the thread later via my last incarnation iBook.

31 posted on 12/13/2007 5:23:18 AM PST by TheBattman (God, please help us to elect a Godly and patriotic man for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: Leonard210

You got a picture of the modified hammer???


32 posted on 12/13/2007 5:34:58 AM PST by TheBattman (God, please help us to elect a Godly and patriotic man for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: Leonard210
It’s been so common for people of late to find a “catchy” phrase and simply repeat it without actually thinking about what it means.

People are used to speaking in bumper-sticker terms. I'm not sure why people think that reducing things to such simplistic terms are a way to win an argument. Generally such things are just starting points.

Aaanyone who thinks a snap-on wrench is no better than a cheap chinese wrench from wal-mart really fundamentally misunderstands things IMO.

33 posted on 12/13/2007 6:43:04 AM PST by zeugma (Ubuntu - Linux for human beings)
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To: zeugma
Aaanyone who thinks a snap-on wrench is no better than a cheap chinese wrench from wal-mart really fundamentally misunderstands things IMO.

I've bought cheap Wal-Mart wrenches before. They slip, break and corrode. Within a couple of years the usable portion of the set you bought is quite small. Another good equivalent is kitchen knives. You can get Chicago Cutlery and it goes dull way too fast; it doesn't hold a sharp blade, making you apply too much pressure, which is dangerous; and it's weighted badly making it a pain to use.

Or you can get a Henckels Pro S chef's knife and slice and chop comfortably and safely for a very long time. I can still slice a large pumpkin in half quickly and easily with my 10 year-old Henckels knife.

34 posted on 12/13/2007 8:02:03 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: TheBattman
I wish. It has been over 20 years now. I left it at (or it was taken from) a job site. I didn’t continue in that career so it wasn’t necessary to buy another. Are you a collector? :-)
35 posted on 12/13/2007 8:27:11 AM PST by Leonard210 (Tagline? We don't need no stinkin' tagliine.)
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To: zeugma
People are used to speaking in bumper-sticker terms. I'm not sure why people think that reducing things to such simplistic terms are a way to win an argument. Generally such things are just starting points.

Good point. I have to remember that.

Aaanyone who thinks a snap-on wrench is no better than a cheap chinese wrench from wal-mart really fundamentally misunderstands things IMO.

How true. But of course no one could "love" that Snap-On. No, if they use it once every 6 months to change a washer. No. But use it daily and you quickly learn to "hate" the cheap knock offs. Problem with the Mac haters is that most have never used a Mac daily and then returned to the PC. I work on both. I know both. XP is indeed just a "tool" but the Macs I've used, even the old ones, are Snap-On's.
36 posted on 12/13/2007 8:47:07 AM PST by Leonard210 (Tagline? We don't need no stinkin' tagliine.)
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To: Swordmaker

The op-ed was just edified FUD, IMHO. The usual anti-Apple, anti-Mac, and anti-Apple/Mac-users hostility that usually wells up in these threads is the only cult mentality in evidence.


37 posted on 12/13/2007 8:51:58 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, December 10, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: weegee

They used to have generic versions of almost all kinds of food in the grocery stores in the 1980s. They were in boxes which were white/light blue and had virtually nothing written on them except the name of the food item and its ingredients. Lots of people bought them because they were cheaper.

I was never one of those people. I bought food that I wanted to eat and food that I thought tasted good. I didn’t HAVE to eat any of it so I might as well enjoy what I was eating.

I feel exactly the same way about television - since I don’t HAVE to watch it I might as well only do it if I’m enjoying it.

Cost and performance are always a trade off. I use an Ipod instead of a Rio even though the Ipod is more expensive. I drive an Acura instead of a Honda. Thank God we have the option in America of paying more to get a better quality of life.


38 posted on 12/13/2007 12:18:27 PM PST by bpjam (Harry Reid doesn't even have 32% of my approval)
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To: humblegunner

39 posted on 12/13/2007 1:04:11 PM PST by FredHead47 (Don’t cry for the elephant - while the girafee is on the grill)
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To: Question Liberal Authority
By that logic, we should all be followers of Charles Manson.

What? Your's is the false logic. Swordmaker said only to investigate that which is different, not automatically to automatically follow it, which is what you're suggesting.

You incorrectly assume that to investigate will always lead to following. It will not (although it often logically does with the Mac). Thus, your point is moot.

40 posted on 12/13/2007 4:43:31 PM PST by Bronzewound
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