Is there nothing about Rudy that would fit in the definition of Republican/Conservative? Nothing about his stand on terrorism, Crime, Fiscal policies, defense: nothing? Is there such a thing as a Perfect Republican/Conservative?
I must say that I found so of your posting as incomprehensible. You make no allowance for any shades of gray in your view of “leftism”, and by inference Conservatives. Your use of leftism sounds almost religious in nature. You don’t think that there is such a thing as Social Conservative/fiscal moderate? How about the term of “Southern Conservative Democrats”? It must be nice to live in a world of defined absolutes. Not all of us are so fortunate. Absolutes are where there are no comparisons such as dead, or pregnant, or unique. You can’t be more dead, or pregnant, or unique. You either are or your are not; a binary world. I guess it would be easier, but I’m not sure that it would be nice,
Be well.
-—”Is there such a thing as a Perfect Republican/Conservative?”-—
And....we’re back to the usual playbook for Rudophiles.
There is a big difference between seeking a “perfect” candidate - which we’re not - and finding one specific candidate such an anethema that we could not under ANY circumstance support said candidate. That is the case with Rudy911 - it’s not because “he’s not perfect on every issue,” but because he has taken up swords so unapologetically and often against us that the differences are irreconcilable. We know where he is Liberal, and do not trust him on the issues in which he claims to be our ally. His history did not start when he began his campaign.
Are there Moderates? Sure. Have I helped them win? Sure. Rudy is a different story. We are talking about a man who was a bulldog of a rabid Activist against SO many of the causes we hold dear for SO long that we will not forgive and forget. I will not hold my nose and vote for him - I will work against his takeover and reshaping of the GOP. If that means the GOP loses one election, so be it.
I stand by this prior post of mine:
-—”Romney’s not my favorite by far, but whatever it takes to knock out that corrupt, gun grabbing, draft dodging, abortionist, war profiteer Rudy JulieAnnie is fine by me,”-—
Jim, you have just summed up why I answer the question of “who are YOU supporting?” by saying “I do not have the luxury of a candidate while Rudy911 is still in the running for the GOP nod.” I like some guys a lot (one of them, unfortunately, is a “one-percenter”), some are okay, and some require nose-pinching to support. But there is one who threatens - with extinction - the Party, Conservatism itself, and many issues I hold dear: Rudy911.
One may or may not believe in the sincerity of Romney’s conversion, or in McCain’s newfound unabashed version of McCain “Conservatism.” One can question whether Huckabee would be a Democrat if they didn’t burn Pro-Lifers at the stake. One can question whether Fred Thompson is as passionate a Conservative as everyone wants him to be. But those types of hesitations PALE in comparison with the impending advent of the Grand New Party that the Melman/Giuliani wing of the party is trying to bring to pass.
Nothing compares to the threat that Rudy911 poses to the Conservative movement in this country, nothing.
So I’m with you - my vote will ultimately get cast for whomever proves to be the most likely candidate to best Rudy911 at the time the polls open in my state. Unless he plummets before then, I do not have the luxury of voting my conscience in the Primaries. This will be the first time I have ever had to say that. But whoever thought that Rudy911 would ever - in our worst nightmares - even be CONSIDERED as the GOP Presidential nominee?!?!
Since when do WE (Republicans) nominate Draft-dodgers and war protesters?
Since when do WE nominate Self-Professed Abortion Rights Activists?
Since when do WE nominate Gay Rights Avtivists?
Since when do WE nominate the most fervent of Gun-Grabbers?
Since when do WE nominate Unapologetic, serial philanderers?
It’s like I’m in Bizarro world, or some kind of alternate universe, that Rudy911 is even in the RUNNING as a Republican Presidential contender!
If it’s Fred, or Romney, or McCain - so be it. ANYONE but Rudy Giuliani, who spent his entire tenure as Mayor trying to use the Clinton Administration and the Court system to remake all of America in the image of New York City. Do the Rudophiles even REMEMBER him as Mayor? Do they even REMEMBER how hard he tried to force NY values on the rest of America? He was tireless, and relentless, in using all of his power and means to do so. Now we’re supposed to give him all the power of the PRESIDENCY?
Let me just sum up by saying this - and I’m only speaking for myself, perhaps: To all of you Rudophiles and Rudy enablers who are calling on, and will be calling on, Conservatives to back Rudy911 if he wins the nod because “we” have to stop Hillary from becoming President - to all of you I say: there is no “we” or “us” or “our” anymore when you hand the Giuliani wing the keys to the Party. There is YOU and ME - we are not together, you are not my ally, we are not a “team” with your common goal of beating Hillary at the cost of Conservatism. Politically speaking, you are my enemy and need to be defeated - politically speaking, you will be treated accordingly.
Nothing that would not also make a "conservative" of Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, Diane Feinstein, etc. In other words, to redefine "conservative" to include Giuliani is like redefining "slender" to include Michael Moore -- the word ceases to mean anything useful. Presumably if Hillary simply had an 'R' next to her name -- with EXACTLY the same policy positions she now holds -- the same people would be saying how important it is that we vote for her to beat [insert DemonRat here].
Is there such a thing as a Perfect Republican/Conservative?
Maybe somewhere, but personally I'd be thrilled with 75% conservative.
You don’t think that there is such a thing as Social Conservative/fiscal moderate? How about the term of “Southern Conservative Democrats”?
Nope. I have never seen a "social conservative / fiscal moderate", or the label more people claim: "social moderate-liberal / fiscal conservative." The underlying conservative philosophy does not allow for such chimerae. The Constitution does not compartmentalize social & fiscal issues. Anyone who is not consistently pro-freedom, pro-property-rights, pro-limited-government, pro-Constitution, etc., is not conservative.