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To: Swordmaker

Look you asked for differences, I found differences, don’t try to write them off they ARE differences. That’s the problem with you Mac guys, you get so worked up whenever anybody points out that the Mac world isn’t 100% perfect. Face reality there ARE differences and that means any smart company needs to find out if the differences effect their product.

That firewire sound card problem doesn’t magically go away.

Actually they don’t have to support the guy with the oddball graphics card. I’ve seen software that listed unsupported graphics cards, because they didn’t work with those cards and they decided the problem with the cards was more trouble to fix than it was worth.

I KNOW as a decade plus professional QA engineer that you NEVER announce support for ANY platform without a full regression EVER under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Mac is a different platform, no matter how much you say it isn’t those links I found PROVE IRREFUTABLY that it is, and therefore no company that deserves to be in business will support it without the test. I don’t understand why you wrap your head around this grotesquely simple concept: no support without the test, like I said last week: it is a 100% non-negotiable concept.

HELLO, are you paying any attention at all?! I won’t own an Apple because of the non-support issue. Now really, this has gone beyond stupid in your refusal to grasp the most basic concept of the software business. You asked for differences, I found differences, it’s over, you’re wrong. Goodbye.


118 posted on 11/12/2007 2:10:56 PM PST by discostu (a mountain is something you don't want to %^&* with)
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To: discostu; antiRepublicrat
You found differences... non-existent differences... differences having to do with WINDOWS drivers... Windows drivers that are not included with the standard Windows distribution.

These same Windows driver issues would occur on a 100% Windows machine as well... not just on Apples running Windows... because the issues are a lack of non-standard drivers.

You are the one making assumptions based on lack of knowledge arguing with people who are actually USING their Macs and running Windows on them.

Who is the ignorant one here, Discostu? Who is the one not paying attention? It certainly is not those of us who are DOING what you claim can't be done based on a few problems with non-standard setups you found with a Google search.

Mac is a different platform, no matter how much you say it isn’t those links I found PROVE IRREFUTABLY that it is. The links you found, every one, applied only to the Apple's that had non-standard hardware installed without the proper drivers... and if that non-standard hardware had been installed in an HP, a Dell, or any of a hundred other Intel or AMD based computers without the proper driver they would have had the EXACT SAME PROBLEMS. Your "irrefutable proof" is twaddle... and irrelevant to whether the hardware is so different as to make an Intel based Apple a different platform when running Windows.

These differences you claim are problem differences that make the Apple an unsuitable Windows platform, apply only to a tiny, tiny minority of people who have customized their Macs... and you generalize it to all Macs. Then you post about it. You then get upset when we disagree with you and challenge you to prove your assertions are in fact a problem for the majority. That proof should be general, applying to all Macs ... not specific to a few.

The same argument is easily found with the few Windows users who use non-standard hardware. Should I criticize Windows based on the tiny, tiny minority who have chosen to customize their machines with non-supported hardware? Could I criticize Vista for not providing suitable drivers for common hardware that is already installed in large numbers of Windows computers? You bet.

Before we even get to your "non-supported software" issues where we might get turned down by a tech support desk, we have to find a piece of software that doesn't work on an Apple running in Windows. You know, that's really hard to find.

YOU are the one claiming that the Intel hardware on a Mac is somehow drastically different from the bog standard hardware found on most other PCs. Different so much that it is outside of the range of normally found PCs in the market place. Except for the EFI, which many PCs are starting to include, and a chip that is sought by OSX to assure it is an Apple, it is essentially identical. Yet somehow YOU claim that no one will support it because it is running Windows... how come we don't find those non-support people? Or even run into the issue?

122 posted on 11/12/2007 2:57:18 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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