Posted on 10/18/2007 4:23:28 PM PDT by E-Mat
... With a focus on holding power and playing politics rather than delivering on conservative values and legislation, the Republican Party has seen itself swept from control of the U.S. House and Senate. Now, all that remains for the Democrats is the White House and a filibuster-proof Senate -- both of which are within reach. Conservatives must eventually come together and get a clue! There is too much at stake.
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Will I vote for former Mayor Rudy Giuliani over Hillary Clinton? Yes!
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When the dust settles, one will emerge as the Republican nominee. I will support that nominee. Supporting a third party candidate in 2008 will ensure that Clinton wins. The country can not afford the damage that will be done if the Democrats hold the White House, Senate, and House of Representatives.
(Excerpt) Read more at gopusa.com ...
Bobby: "Now, all that remains for the Democrats is the White House and a filibuster-proof Senate -- both of which are within reach."
First of all, let's all get this straight: Rudy IS a Democrat, only worse.
Rudy will not represent me on even half the issues I care about. I visit his website, http://www.joinrudy2008.com/ , and I don't see any evidence that he's even running as a Republican. In fact, he would have run as a Democrat if he could, and says so himself: http://www.knowyourrino.com/Pres08/Giuliani.htm @ 1:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM @ 1:27
Worried, about a GOP candidate defecting to a third party and messing up the general election? A Democrat just defected to your party and is messing up your PRIMARY election! Furthermore, Rudy would make voting GOP mostly irrelevant in the general election, and possibly multiple elections thereafter.
Why is he worse? What happens at just about every midterm election? "Simply put, the party controlling the White House nearly always loses House seats in midterm elections" http://anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=156 "Republicans have always done best in House elections when an unpopular Democrat sits in the White House." http://www.jstor.org/view/00323195/di980453/98p0914k/9
If Hillary the Democrat slips into office because some of us voted third-party, we can predict what's going to happen: The perennially displeased public will look at the party controlling the presidency and vote the other way, and the democrats will begin to lose congress. But what's going to happen if we all toe the line just to make sure Rudy the RINO gets into office, and then people vote the other way on his midterm election? That's right, you'll get to watch all the worst liberal agenda pass for six and a half more years. And guess which party will pick up the blame for the results of all that?
Rudy would be a Republican disaster, and every time conservative pundits pipe up and say "I will vote for former Mayor Rudy Giuliani over Hillary Clinton!" they only increase confidence in Rudy, promote his campaign, and assure the disaster.
Want to keep talking about minimal-loss strategy? How about this?: If I were a progressive pro-abortion, pro-gay-marriage, gun-control democrat watching Rudy in the lead and listening to conservative pundits advising their audience to support the GOP no matter what happens, I'd drop everything I was doing and register myself, my family, and all my friends Republican. This would be my big chance to turn this country all the way around. The Democrat party is already in the bag. Should it really matter to me so much to me whether Clinton or Obama wins the primary? On the other hand, if I could help change the course of the GOP, possibly forever…Wow! Both major parties and all three branches of government working in harmony to advance all my favorite progressive pro-abortion, pro-gay-marriage, gun-control agendas!
If Christian conservatives are taking a stand and declaring absolutely no confidence in Rudy, then they are the ones who are doing the right thing, both on values and on strategy.
Yes, still thinking.
Bobby: “Now, all that remains for the Democrats is the White House and a filibuster-proof Senate — both of which are within reach.”
First of all, let’s all get this straight: Rudy IS a Democrat, only worse.
Rudy will not represent me on even half the issues I care about. I visit his website, http://www.joinrudy2008.com/ , and I don’t see any evidence that he’s even running as a Republican. In fact, he would have run as a Democrat if he could, and says so himself:
http://www.knowyourrino.com/Pres08/Giuliani.htm @ 1:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM @ 1:27
Worried, about a GOP candidate defecting to a third party and messing up the general election? A Democrat just defected to your party and is messing up your PRIMARY election! Furthermore, Rudy would make voting GOP mostly irrelevant in the general election, and possibly multiple elections thereafter.
Why is he worse?
What happens at just about every midterm election?
“Simply put, the party controlling the White House nearly always loses House seats in midterm elections” http://anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=156
“Republicans have always done best in House elections when an unpopular
Democrat sits in the White House.” http://www.jstor.org/view/00323195/di980453/98p0914k/9
If Hillary the Democrat slips into office because some of us voted third-party, we can predict what’s going to happen: The perennially displeased public will look at the party controlling the presidency and vote the other way, and the democrats will begin to lose congress. But what’s going to happen if we all toe the line just to make sure Rudy the RINO gets into office, and then people vote the other way on his midterm election? That’s right, you’ll get to watch all the worst liberal agenda pass for six and a half more years. And guess which party will pick up the blame for the results of all that?
Rudy would be a Republican disaster, and every time conservative pundits pipe up and say “I will vote for former Mayor Rudy Giuliani over Hillary Clinton!” they only increase confidence in Rudy, promote his campaign, and assure the disaster.
Want to keep talking about minimal-loss strategy? How about this?:
If I were a progressive pro-abortion, pro-gay-marriage, gun-control democrat watching Rudy in the lead and listening to conservative pundits advising their audience to support the GOP no matter what happens, I’d drop everything I was doing and register myself, my family, and all my friends Republican. This would be my big chance to turn this country all the way around. The Democrat party is already in the bag. Should it really matter to me so much to me whether Clinton or Obama wins the primary? On the other hand, if I could help change the course of the GOP, possibly forever…Wow! Both major parties and all three branches of government working in harmony to advance all my favorite progressive pro-abortion, pro-gay-marriage, gun-control agendas!
If Christian conservatives are taking a stand and declaring absolutely no confidence in Rudy, then they are the ones who are doing the right thing, both on values and on strategy.
Sorry, but I’m not buying.
The theme of next year’s general election will be:
“It’s the corruption, (of the dem and gop partys) stupid!”
Most of what Christian Conservative loath has been imposed on them by Judges, not Legislation. Letting Hillary appoint the next 3 SC Justices would set the Value Voters back 40 years. or more on Life issues
Christians have a strong influence in whom the GOP pick for Judges. Any Republican President is going to have to run for re-elections, he cannot afford to piss off the Value Voters.
Value Voters will have NO influence with a Hillary Regime
On judges alone I fail to see how Rudy helps at all.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0207/2957.html
“...most of Giuliani’s judicial appointments during his eight years as mayor of New York were hardly in the model of Chief Justice John Roberts or Samuel Alito — much less aggressive conservatives in the mold of Antonin Scalia.”
...of the 75 judges Giuliani appointed to three of New York state’s lower courts found that Democrats outnumbered Republicans by more than 8 to 1. One of his appointments was an officer of the International Association of Lesbian and Gay Judges. Another ruled that the state law banning liquor sales on Sundays was unconstitutional because it was insufficiently secular.
A third, an abortion-rights supporter, later made it to the federal bench in part because New York Sen. Charles E. Schumer, a liberal Democrat, said he liked her ideology.
Cumulatively, Giuilani’s record was enough to win applause from people like Kelli Conlin, the head of NARAL Pro-Choice New York, the state’s leading abortion-rights group. “They were decent, moderate people,” she said.
That agenda is way more important then individual’s ego problems because they aren’t getting only 100% of what they personally want done in Politics.
Only in God can you find perfection. Nothing in Life, certainly nothing in political life, ever will be perfect.
Having a seat at the table and getting somethings done to advance your agenda is still a way better deal then getting 100% of what you loath imposed on you
Excellent points.
I got one more for you. If Guiliani is elected, the other RINOs in congress will just follow his lead without thinking. Just as they have followed Bush on spending and amnesty. But if Hillary were to push the same liberal legislation, those same congresscritters just might have enough of a backbone to stop and consider the consequences. And will be more willing to oppose a Dem in office than a (supposed) Republican.
When I vote for the lesser of two evils, guess what I get? That’s right, EVIL.
Looks like the GOP did not learn one lesson from 2006. Oh well....don’t come crying to your base now after trying to shove amnesty down our throats. There’s little love lost (or trust) here.
Now go and bloviate some more.
Value Voters will have NO influence with a Hillary Regime”
So you’d marginalize the value voters by electing Guiliani then worry about our votes in future elections? Huh?
...of the 75 judges Giuliani appointed to three of New York state’s lower courts found that Democrats outnumbered Republicans by more than 8 to 1.
Didn’t Rudy operate within a mandated selection committee that presented him with names from which to choose? Was’t that committee made up primarily of democrats? Seems I’ve read that somewhere.
Me too. In the article I posted above:
“Under the system, the MAYOR appoints members of an independent panel. Aspiring judges apply to the panel, which recommends three candidates for each vacancy. The mayor chooses among the three.”
So what you’re telling me is that RUDY APPOINTED DEMOCRATS to present all his choices for judges?!
“Under the system, the MAYOR appoints members of an independent panel. Aspiring judges apply to the panel, which recommends three candidates for each vacancy. The mayor chooses among the three.”
I’m not backing Giuliani just trying to keep things in prespective as to how they really worked.
It’s only 77 days until the Iowa Caucuses.... How will Hunter do there? Any guesses?
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