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To: E-Mat

Yes, still thinking.

Bobby: “Now, all that remains for the Democrats is the White House and a filibuster-proof Senate — both of which are within reach.”

First of all, let’s all get this straight: Rudy IS a Democrat, only worse.

Rudy will not represent me on even half the issues I care about. I visit his website, http://www.joinrudy2008.com/ , and I don’t see any evidence that he’s even running as a Republican. In fact, he would have run as a Democrat if he could, and says so himself:
http://www.knowyourrino.com/Pres08/Giuliani.htm @ 1:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM @ 1:27

Worried, about a GOP candidate defecting to a third party and messing up the general election? A Democrat just defected to your party and is messing up your PRIMARY election! Furthermore, Rudy would make voting GOP mostly irrelevant in the general election, and possibly multiple elections thereafter.

Why is he worse?
What happens at just about every midterm election?
“Simply put, the party controlling the White House nearly always loses House seats in midterm elections” http://anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=156
“Republicans have always done best in House elections when an unpopular
Democrat sits in the White House.” http://www.jstor.org/view/00323195/di980453/98p0914k/9

If Hillary the Democrat slips into office because some of us voted third-party, we can predict what’s going to happen: The perennially displeased public will look at the party controlling the presidency and vote the other way, and the democrats will begin to lose congress. But what’s going to happen if we all toe the line just to make sure Rudy the RINO gets into office, and then people vote the other way on his midterm election? That’s right, you’ll get to watch all the worst liberal agenda pass for six and a half more years. And guess which party will pick up the blame for the results of all that?

Rudy would be a Republican disaster, and every time conservative pundits pipe up and say “I will vote for former Mayor Rudy Giuliani over Hillary Clinton!” they only increase confidence in Rudy, promote his campaign, and assure the disaster.

Want to keep talking about minimal-loss strategy? How about this?:
If I were a progressive pro-abortion, pro-gay-marriage, gun-control democrat watching Rudy in the lead and listening to conservative pundits advising their audience to support the GOP no matter what happens, I’d drop everything I was doing and register myself, my family, and all my friends Republican. This would be my big chance to turn this country all the way around. The Democrat party is already in the bag. Should it really matter to me so much to me whether Clinton or Obama wins the primary? On the other hand, if I could help change the course of the GOP, possibly forever…Wow! Both major parties and all three branches of government working in harmony to advance all my favorite progressive pro-abortion, pro-gay-marriage, gun-control agendas!

If Christian conservatives are taking a stand and declaring absolutely no confidence in Rudy, then they are the ones who are doing the right thing, both on values and on strategy.


2 posted on 10/18/2007 4:25:48 PM PDT by E-Mat (Duncan Hunter Understands : Made in China = Arms for Tyrants)
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To: E-Mat
On Judges alone your theory falls to pieces.

Most of what Christian Conservative loath has been imposed on them by Judges, not Legislation. Letting Hillary appoint the next 3 SC Justices would set the Value Voters back 40 years. or more on Life issues

Christians have a strong influence in whom the GOP pick for Judges. Any Republican President is going to have to run for re-elections, he cannot afford to piss off the Value Voters.

Value Voters will have NO influence with a Hillary Regime

4 posted on 10/18/2007 4:33:15 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Don't tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiots)
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To: E-Mat

Excellent points.

I got one more for you. If Guiliani is elected, the other RINOs in congress will just follow his lead without thinking. Just as they have followed Bush on spending and amnesty. But if Hillary were to push the same liberal legislation, those same congresscritters just might have enough of a backbone to stop and consider the consequences. And will be more willing to oppose a Dem in office than a (supposed) Republican.

When I vote for the lesser of two evils, guess what I get? That’s right, EVIL.

Looks like the GOP did not learn one lesson from 2006. Oh well....don’t come crying to your base now after trying to shove amnesty down our throats. There’s little love lost (or trust) here.


8 posted on 10/18/2007 4:49:41 PM PDT by CottonBall
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