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Four Evidences of Cosmic Youth ("more empirically justifiable to infer young ages than old ages")
Creation-Evolution Headlines ^ | August 4, 2007

Posted on 08/07/2007 3:54:06 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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To: Hiddigeigei
My daddy told me never to argue with or laugh at religious fanatics. It gets them all upset.

I stick to science, and leave religious belief alone. I try to focus on statements that are clearly junk-science or pseudo-science, or which are just plain anti-science, and I try to use established science as the basis of my reply. Of course, there may be some collateral damage to those who rely on junk-science or pseudo-science to support their religious beliefs, but that's not my fault.

But sometimes I suspect that DUers post this sort of article so they can point to it and say Freepers are a bunch of imbeciles.

I think that used to be true in the past. Now, I wonder...

61 posted on 08/07/2007 6:07:27 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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>>And here I thought you were going to start off with a hard one. OK, do you understand “Big Bang” cosmology and Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity as it relates to gravitational time dilation?<<

I can derive the time dilation equations.

The speed of light in a particular medium is a constant. So light from star a billion light years away travels a billion years to get here.

Since E=mc^2 , if the speed of light were not constant, energy and mass (which is really just captured energy) would no longer be conserved.

So the universe is clearly billions of years old.


62 posted on 08/07/2007 6:07:42 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: Coyoteman

==Why don’t you let scientists be the judge of what is and what is not science?

If we did that, Darwinists would no longer be allowed to judge what science is. LOL.


63 posted on 08/07/2007 6:09:06 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Coyoteman

Come on, man, you gotta cut him a break. He got so excited imagining that barbecue sauce he thinks God’s going to let him slather on you while you turn on the spit, the right story just slipped his mind.


64 posted on 08/07/2007 6:10:14 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC
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To: js1138

==Let’s see you math on this one. You must know something that went over Einstein’s head.

Not at all. Einstein posited gravitational time dilation, not me.


65 posted on 08/07/2007 6:10:26 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: gondramB

We’re not talking about the speed of light, we’re talking about gravitational time dilation.


66 posted on 08/07/2007 6:14:57 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

yes, your point?


67 posted on 08/07/2007 6:16:22 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: CFC__VRWC
At this rate, a few weeks might do the trick.

Maybe. Given a constant Church of Darwin with an a-Church of Darwinist delta, the Church of Darwin may be Church of Darwinized within a narrow Church of Darwindow of opportunity. We may be able to Church of Darwinate the semi-Church of Darwinites beyond the the normal Church of Darwindex of Church of Darwinism, leaving a theroetically Church of Darwinable Church of Darwin.

68 posted on 08/07/2007 6:17:20 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: razzle

um, sure. You must be right and all the PhD’s are wrong. Enjoy your dim little life


69 posted on 08/07/2007 6:17:33 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I have a good estimate of my “opponent”


70 posted on 08/07/2007 6:18:42 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: GodGunsGuts

With respect to you as a person and a Christian, I have learned not to post to you about science as I have concluded you are not sincere on that topic.


71 posted on 08/07/2007 6:18:53 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: muir_redwoods

Taken together (Big Bang + Gravitational Time Dilation), what happens to time when you change the Big Bang starting ASSUMPTIONS from a universe with no edge and no center to a universe with a center and an edge?


72 posted on 08/07/2007 6:20:11 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Does this mean that we won’t wrinkle so quickly?


73 posted on 08/07/2007 6:21:16 PM PDT by bannie (The Good Guys cannot win when they're the only ones to play by the rules.)
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To: razzle

>>ha ha ha, I hope you and the coyote are around when your preposterous myth of darwinism comes tumbling down like freudism and marxism and all the other ridiculous isms we have forgotten about.<<

Darwinism? There have not been Darwinists in many years. It was replaced by modern evolutionary theory in the 1930’s. if you see someone calling them self a Darwinist or referring to Darwinists as if they exist today you can be you are talking to someone without much science knowledge.


74 posted on 08/07/2007 6:22:03 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: gondramB

Fine by me. And given your refusal to entertain tough questions re: Darwin’s discredited ToE...Right back at you.


75 posted on 08/07/2007 6:22:11 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
We are talking about the Theory that corrected Newtons Laws of motion right?

The example you are trying to make is silly because the time dilation effect is seen between two entities Relative to each other, it doesn't work to try to speed up the rate of expansion which Einstein's theory fixed at c

More to the point, this is just too tedious to deal with. I no longer have the energy to deal with what is, at best, your volitional ignorance

76 posted on 08/07/2007 6:44:10 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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bfl


77 posted on 08/07/2007 6:54:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, August 7, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: RightWhale

No it doesn’t...there is a lot of unsubstantiated speculation out there. And many recent observations are reversing long held theories, such as the Big Bang. Secular (i.e., non-religious) scientists are now doubting the Big Bang.


78 posted on 08/07/2007 7:15:00 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: CFC__VRWC

Darwinism depends on millions and millions of years. If it can be demonstrated that the universe is not, in fact, millions of years old, Darwinism will not have a leg to stand on.


79 posted on 08/07/2007 7:17:12 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: LiteKeeper

I refer the gentleman to the answer in post #74.

With the caveat that if the earth were found to be only a few thousand years old that would change pretty much every branch of science since they all point to a very old earth.


80 posted on 08/07/2007 7:20:32 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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