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Rare example of Darwinism seen in action (Deluded Darwinists alert)
EurekAlert ^ | July 31, 2007

Posted on 08/07/2007 9:30:37 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

RIVERSIDE, Calif. – A research team, including UC Riverside biologists, has found experimental evidence that supports a controversial theory of genetic conflict in the reproduction of those animals that support their developing offspring through a placenta.

The conflict has been likened to a “battle of the sexes” or an “arms race” at the molecular level between mothers and fathers. At stake: the fetus’s growth rate and how much that costs the nutrient-supplying mother.

The new research supports the idea of a genetic “arms race” going on between a live-bearing mother and her offspring, assisted by the growth-promoting genes of the father...

(Excerpt) Read more at eurekalert.org ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; placenta; poeciliidae; postedinwrongforum
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To: John Valentine
You asked to “Please come up with a single shred of evidence to support this rather astonishing statement.”

I did. And based on my experience and the polls, the vast majority of global warming hysteria is emanating from Darwinist circles.

41 posted on 08/07/2007 11:23:05 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
The male wants “fast fetal growth, so that his offspring will be
the hardiest, best survivors and the ones who demand the most
of the mother’s placental nutrients,”


Under this hypothetical scenario...
...some male minnows are smarter than male Homo sapiens

And from what I've observed from "The Human Mating And Dating Game"...
I'd tend to agree!!!

I suspect this bit of scientific research was generated by a
"science guy" that can't BUY a date..
42 posted on 08/07/2007 11:24:43 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Coyoteman

==He made a claim regarding science, and when asked to back it up he resorted to “read the bible.”

You’re reaching (as usual), Coyoteman. I told him if he wants to know why there is disease and death in the world to read the Bible. As for evidence of non-random, directed mutation...there’s plenty.


43 posted on 08/07/2007 11:25:47 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: John Valentine

==This is not science, it is BS. It is a form of religion.

Agreed. That’s why I expose the Church of Darwin for what it is...religion.


44 posted on 08/07/2007 11:37:54 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: SteveMcKing

Yes,

Several reasons.

First, universities MANDATE ONLY evolution and remove any professors that try to say different (Iowa State University is one classic example).

Second, evolution has become a religion to many who teach it and will not be allowed to be challenged except by their straw man analysis.

Third, posts here by the pro evolution side use pure derision which is not unlike many who have taken their places as part of the educated elite in this country. It can not be challenged seriously no matter what.

Oh, please explain how every drug, cell line, animal model, etc. describe their “mechanism in the context of evolution.”?

Your post is strictly your opinion of how you believe things really are rather than how they actually are in this world.

Oh, one more thing...the classic prove a negative argument...why no representation in the biotech/pharm industry? So, explain why? a negative? I suggest you begin following the rules of common accepted logic that even liberals typically observe (not radical liberals).


45 posted on 08/07/2007 11:56:00 AM PDT by Hubenator (Evolution is YOUR religion.)
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To: BritExPatInFla

Blind faith?

Those who believe in creationism are the most open minded and tolerant individuals I know. It is people like you who just spout out the trust science know all line.

Much of science theory is constantly in flux and only proven science is used in any meaningful industry.

Your smarmy comment on “creationist propaganda mills” is typical of a blind believer in this corrupt theory.

So why in hell did you come to the US anyhow? I mean other than to make foolish comments here? You could have done that in Jolly Old England where it is quite screwed up.


46 posted on 08/07/2007 12:02:43 PM PDT by Hubenator (Evolution is YOUR religion.)
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To: John Valentine

Our beef is that you have made evolution into a religion to be defended rather than openly debated. Your ilk hide in the shadows waiting for any “darwinian” thing to come out in order to pounce on it... as for your own experience as to

“I’ve never seen a “creationist” successfully refute a single thing, to say nothing of genetics/evolution, their apparent main target.

Your own observations do not serve the discussion well as no one probably gives a rats behind what your obs are...lol

“we are only talking about men and women making a sincere effort to understand nature.”

Uh, some I believe are making sincere efforts...however, quite a few want to limit debate and squash any evidence contradictory to their religion.

“It appears to me that creationists fail so consistently because generally they have no idea of how to reason.”

I am sure it does...but that doesn’t help you here. Perhaps a KOS convention where like minds go to re-affirm their own dogma would placate your irritation.


47 posted on 08/07/2007 12:12:12 PM PDT by Hubenator (Evolution is YOUR religion.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

What’s that saying about none so blind as who won’t see? Open your eyes.


48 posted on 08/07/2007 12:13:28 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: SteveMcKing
Why is there no Creationist representation in the biotech/pharmaceutical industry?

Or the oil industry?

Where are the Flood Geologists advising oil companies on where to drill based of their theory of how sediments were formed?

49 posted on 08/07/2007 12:19:11 PM PDT by js1138
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To: edsheppa

edssheppa,

Are you confessing your sin to us here eddy?

You have added no weight or value to this discussion.

Typical, smarmy & stupid.


50 posted on 08/07/2007 12:19:43 PM PDT by Hubenator (Evolution is YOUR religion.)
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To: dan1123
No predictive power?

What would you predict would be larger a Tigon (Tiger father Lion mother)or a Lyger (Lion father and Tiger mother)?

“A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal.”
Napoleon Dynamite.

The predictive power of evolutionary theory gives the right answer. How about creationism or ID? Any guesses?

51 posted on 08/07/2007 12:20:06 PM PDT by allmendream (A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal.)
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To: edsheppa

I opened my eyes the moment I realized the Church of Darwin is a religion whose faith claims regarding origins are refuted by science.


52 posted on 08/07/2007 12:22:14 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
The best evidence suggests that they were pre-programmed to adapt to a changing environment. What we are seeing is directed, non-random mutation

YOU made the same ole baseless claim you always make. PROVE it. That's how the science world works, ya know. I'd LOVE to see this "best evidence" you claim is there that explains how MDRTB came about due to being pre-programmed to do so.

53 posted on 08/07/2007 12:22:25 PM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (1/27 Wolfhounds...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: js1138

Tell me how BELIEVING in evolution(yes, evolution takes faith, since it is NOT proven) helps a:

“Geologists advising oil companies on where to drill based of their theory of how sediments were formed?”

Your question is so bad that it represents a very poor straw man...especially, since it would signify an observation that is irrelevant to both creation & evolution. Its just being foolish.

Again, creationists are the ones without logic? This thread is evidence to the contrary...


54 posted on 08/07/2007 12:25:08 PM PDT by Hubenator (Evolution is YOUR religion.)
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To: allmendream

Are evolution and genetics indistinguishable to you?


55 posted on 08/07/2007 12:25:47 PM PDT by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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To: VOA
The male minnows are not “smarter” than Homo Sapien males. They are adapted to compete against other males because any female they mate with will probably mate with other males as well. Homo Sapien males usually can count on the paternity of their offspring.

The predictive power of evolutionary theory states that the average size of the testes related to body size will be a function of the promiscuity of the females. Gorillas and Gibbons have very small testes because a little dab will do ya when you are absolutely assured of paternity. Chimpanzees have enormous testes because female chimps are promiscuous. Male Homo sapiens have somewhat intermediate sized testes, because we can USUALLY count on paternity.

56 posted on 08/07/2007 12:26:30 PM PDT by allmendream (A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal.)
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To: SteveMcKing

Please.

Using evolutionist terminology does not mean evolution was a necessity in developing the drug.


57 posted on 08/07/2007 12:27:57 PM PDT by dan1123 (You are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. --Jesus)
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To: GodGunsGuts
...I realized the Church of Darwin is a religion whose faith claims regarding origins are refuted by science.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”

Joseph Goebbels


“A lie told often enough becomes truth”

Vladimir Lenin


58 posted on 08/07/2007 12:28:33 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: dan1123
Not in the slightest.

So what is your prediction? And what theory is it based upon?

59 posted on 08/07/2007 12:29:12 PM PDT by allmendream (A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal.)
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To: Coyoteman

No no no....if you wanna understand how things undergo “directed mutation” due to “pre-programming” by a “Designer”, you must look for the “design”, or “signs” of the “design” in everything you don’t understand, without ever once attempting to understanding the science.

If you want to understand why things die and why there’s disease, THAT you find in the Bible.

I got lyme a few times in the past decade...must’ve been the Designer (who shall remain nameless) punishing me for walking in His woods.


60 posted on 08/07/2007 12:29:19 PM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (1/27 Wolfhounds...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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